small suv with 4wd not awd

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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: spasm3
It seems more small suvs are awd, are there any that are selectable 4wd? We used the have an 01 escape v-6 that had a switch for 2w or 4wd. I really liked that.


why did you like it? 4wd has little advantage on road except very deep snow and other edge case driving conditions you likely should not be in .


There were plenty of times i used 4wd, but i don't want AWD.
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: spasm3
It seems more small suvs are awd, are there any that are selectable 4wd? We used the have an 01 escape v-6 that had a switch for 2w or 4wd. I really liked that.


why did you like it? 4wd has little advantage on road except very deep snow and other edge case driving conditions you likely should not be in .


There were plenty of times i used 4wd, but i don't want AWD.


You don't actually explain why you don't want it. just curious? Reality is there is no demand for part time 4wd systems in small SUVs.
 
Most people are concerned about getting around in a little snow. So AWD is adequate for that. Generally no body intentionally wants to drive around in a blizzard.
 
I worry about the reliability and cost of repair. I keep my vehicles a long time. What is the cost of and AWD tranny when the vehicle is 10 years old.
 
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
I worry about the reliability and cost of repair. I keep my vehicles a long time. What is the cost of and AWD tranny when the vehicle is 10 years old.



Many AWD around Utah that old. Subarus especially. If it's that much of a concern go with two wheel drive and snow tires. How much does it snow where "out there" is?
 
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
I worry about the reliability and cost of repair. I keep my vehicles a long time. What is the cost of and AWD tranny when the vehicle is 10 years old.

I don't think many(any?) small SUV's have a true AWD system. Something like my CRV goes from fwd to 4wd when the front spins a bit.
 
Originally Posted By: CKN
Most people are concerned about getting around in a little snow. So AWD is adequate for that. Generally no body intentionally wants to drive around in a blizzard.

I actually do as well as many of my buddies because that is best skiing time:)
Both of my cars are AWD. Good snow tires and you leave 4WD clunker far behind in snow.
Problem with 4WD is weight distribution and all that comes with it for snow driving. Off road, of course, 4WD any time over AWD. For snow and roads, AWD any time.
 
Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: spasm3
It seems more small suvs are awd, are there any that are selectable 4wd? We used the have an 01 escape v-6 that had a switch for 2w or 4wd. I really liked that.


If we're talking front wheel drive based SUVs like an Escape, many have a 4x4 "lock" button, where both axles are locked in until a certain speed is achieved like said above. Most don't have a way to disable AWD by push button though. My 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe was like that.

I don't know of a single FWD based SUV these days that stays FWD only until you activate "4x4".



My '15 Outlander is FWD-bias only in Eco/4wd "off" mode.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: ejes
We have a '07 Rav4 V6 with the AWD and the transfer case "4x4" low. It was my wife's car before the Cherokee and then we gave it to my daughter last year for college. I liked it for my wife because it was simple (just push the button for 4x4 low) and it automatically turned off once you hit 20mph or so. Basically simple enough of a feature that it might prevent me from having to come push her out of a ditch or snow bank if she ended up there and I didn't have to worry about her ruining anything with having to manipulate 4x4. However, in all the years we've had it in pretty good KS winter snows, we never had to use it. The AWD system is so good you really had to screw up to get it stuck. I drove it down in a ditch with a foot of snow one time just to try to get it stuck; the crazy little thing was like a billy goat and crawled right up and out of it; no 4x4 low needed. The Rav also had hill descent; never used it either except going though some steep paved twisties in the Rockies one time. It, too, worked like a charm. I would think the Renegade would be even more capable than that Rav4, save the lower HP engine.


AFAIK RAV4 never had 4Lo. The switch on the dashboard just "locks" what would be in common parlance the center differential, changing from a heavy front-bias to a 50/50 split. AFAIK the button is 4Lock or Lock.

[Reality is that the RAV4 lacks a center differential / transfer case altogether--it runs the rear drive shaft just like the missing front drive shaft (it's a traverse engine setup, so no front driveshaft, but you get the idea). Inside the rear diff is a clutch which engages the rear axle. Hitting the button--or if commanded by traction control--operates the clutch.]


No, you are correct, it is not a "low". Its really just a term I use for it because of how it won't work past those low gear, high revs due to the automatic disengagement. Didn't mean to confuse things.
 
I have owned both for years and still do. Not much snow here - but lots of rain. We cross a highway often - fast and heavy traffic. When the road is wet - rather be crossing in my AWD than my 4WD despite an Eaton locker in 2WD mode on the road.
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I worry about the reliability and cost of repair. I keep my vehicles a long time. What is the cost of and AWD tranny when the vehicle is 10 years old.


The Awd systems have very few issues in that time period and beyond. You are way more likely to encounter automatic/Cvt problems. That all being said 4wd does not exist in this segment in recent small SUV unless you count Jeep Wrangler.

Happy unicorn shopping!
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I worry about the reliability and cost of repair. I keep my vehicles a long time. What is the cost of and AWD tranny when the vehicle is 10 years old.


Most of them are FWD units with a PTU or something that sends power to the rears. Plenty of them go 10 years/150k with little maintenance. I'd not worry about what type of system you have driving the wheels- plenty of 4x4 transfer cases die early deaths too.
 
Yes, the transfer case can be neglected as much as rear ends.
Small and easy oil change - but often forgotten.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I don't think many(any?) small SUV's have a true AWD system. Something like my CRV goes from fwd to 4wd when the front spins a bit.


Forester and Outback both power all four wheels all the time, though the automatics with the computer-controlled AWD system typically go to 90% FWD on the highway. Our friend's Misubishi has an FWD/AWD/AWD LOCK switch, so you can turn off the rear wheels for best fuel economy, let the computer decide which to power, or tell to send power to all four.
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Yes, the transfer case can be neglected as much as rear ends.
Small and easy oil change - but often forgotten.


And then peopled wonder why their transfer case randomly exploded on the highway
 
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