I own a 2000 mazda protege 1.8 litre engine.Oem mazda filter(fram) is very small.Can I use the filter for the 626 on this car it is same diameter but 1.5 inches longer.Also will this void warranty.What other filters can I use on this car.For instance ac delco or k&n.Finally what is proper tightening of filter only hand tight or 1/4 turn more after hand tightening using oil filter wrench.By the way where in toronto can I buy these good oil filters.
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Disagree. If you did damage a gasket (extremely unlikely) it would be obvious at start up and, (as to hand tightening) that one time after two days post oil change when oil is spotting the garage floor you can always go back in , wipe up the mess on the floor and engine, and tighten a half turn with a wrench! Or even better it could wait a month or so before it decided to loosen up and just spill its guts on the interstate!
Perhaps you should check out the posts on Quick Lubes, those guys hand tighten all filters for the most part! Guess it is whatever floats your boat and which practice you feel comfortable sleeping at night with. There are multiple more horror stories of hand tightened filters that leak then stories of over torqued filters causing a problem.
[ January 14, 2003, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: Spector ]
Go with the longer filter, the Purolater number is 14620. -Joe
If you cn use the Purolator 14220, you can use the K&N HP-1010, or the Mobil 1 -110. As far as voiding your warranty-they would (in theory) have to prove that the filter contributed to the dmage of the engine. That's why I would use a hevy gauge filter like K$N or Mobil 1. For other replacement brands look up a specific filter brnd for the 2000 year Maxima. I believe Fram is 7317 and that may be the same # for Bosch ?? Can't remember. Minds starting to go
As for tightening the filter by hand it depends on several factors. How strong are your hands. How accessable is the filter, and in some cases the type of filter you use. If you tighten the filter 3/4 to 1 turn past when the gasket touches its seat you won't have any problems. I usually go 1 turn and have never had any problems. The main thing you DON'T want to do is tighten it so far that the metal on the filter bottoms out on the mounting surface. The Amsoil filters recommend that you back the filter off 1/8" after tightening. I assume this is to take the twist off of the gasket.
Every spin-on filter that I have ever used has had directions that say to tighten 3/4 turn after the gasket contacts the engine. They also say in big letters - DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN! - I follow this procedure.
Before I started using oil drain valves, I was paranoid about losing a drain plug, and pouring engine oil out on the highway. As a result, I probably torqued them too tight. One day I noticed the drain plug was dripping on my Bronco. After removing the plug, I found the gasket had split (from overtorquing). That taught me a lesson on using the proper torque, and that too much can be just as bad as too little.
Before I started using oil drain valves, I was paranoid about losing a drain plug, and pouring engine oil out on the highway. As a result, I probably torqued them too tight. One day I noticed the drain plug was dripping on my Bronco. After removing the plug, I found the gasket had split (from overtorquing). That taught me a lesson on using the proper torque, and that too much can be just as bad as too little.
For 30 years I always hand tightened the oil filters because that's what was always told. However, you got me thinking (ouch that hurts
) and I just read the Motorcraft filter box for a FL 200 and it says to tighten WITH a filter wrench an additional 3/4-1 turn after hand turning the filter till the gasket makes contact. Now I'm confused!
Ironically I can barely get my hand on the filter, no less a wrench.
Whimsey
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I have found over the years (unfortuntely more than 30quote:
Originally posted by Whimsey:
For 30 years I always hand tightened the oil filters because that's what was always told. However, you got me thinking (ouch that hurts) and I just read the Motorcraft filter box for a FL 200 and it says to tighten WITH a filter wrench an additional 3/4-1 turn after hand turning the filter till the gasket makes contact. Now I'm confused!Ironically I can barely get my hand on the filter, no less a wrench.
Whimsey
[ January 14, 2003, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: Al ]
How can it make a difference whether the filter is tightened by hand or a wrench as long as it isn't overtightened or the case damaged by the wrong tool?
Ken
[ January 14, 2003, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: Ken2 ]
Ken
[ January 14, 2003, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: Ken2 ]
As far as the warranty issue goes, I'd keep an OEM spec oil filter on the shelf in the garage.
Back in the '70s, I seem to remember that "hand tighten" was the manufacturer's spec for oil filters. Then they changed the spec to 3/4 to 1 turn. I guess they had a lot of problems with those hand tightened oil filters.
Why don't the manufacturers make it easier to determine when you've tightened the oil filter 3/4 to 1 turn? For all their faults, Fram seems to have answered this one (at least years ago when I last used one). They have markers "1" and "2" halfway around the can, if memory serves me right. That way you can tell how far you've tightened it. I just changed the oil on my wife's van, dark under the engine, dark blue oil filter, I just couldn't tell when I had it tightend properly. Ended up putting a crayon mark on the end of the can to tell when I had tightened it a full turn.
Oil filter manufacturers, LISTEN UP, make the oil filter a light color and add a bold stripe that runs down the side of the can and half way on the end of the can. That way we can tell when it's properly tightened.
Back in the '70s, I seem to remember that "hand tighten" was the manufacturer's spec for oil filters. Then they changed the spec to 3/4 to 1 turn. I guess they had a lot of problems with those hand tightened oil filters.
Why don't the manufacturers make it easier to determine when you've tightened the oil filter 3/4 to 1 turn? For all their faults, Fram seems to have answered this one (at least years ago when I last used one). They have markers "1" and "2" halfway around the can, if memory serves me right. That way you can tell how far you've tightened it. I just changed the oil on my wife's van, dark under the engine, dark blue oil filter, I just couldn't tell when I had it tightend properly. Ended up putting a crayon mark on the end of the can to tell when I had tightened it a full turn.
Oil filter manufacturers, LISTEN UP, make the oil filter a light color and add a bold stripe that runs down the side of the can and half way on the end of the can. That way we can tell when it's properly tightened.
Can I use the larger 626 filter it is the same diameter only 1.5 inches longer.Does this filter have same bypass setting and other specs as the original smaller filter only more filter media I don't want to experiment.Also I noticed stock ac delco filter is larger in diameter than mazda tiny filter aka.fram
here is my trick for putting on a filter...twist it till it is kinda hard, then turn it a little more for a little more tention...its not too tight or too loose...so next time when u take it off it only needs very little force by hand.
plato:
You can use the longer filter for the 626's 2.5 liter V6 without worry. I have been using them for a while on my '99 protege (identical to 2000 model) without problems. When I purchase an oil filter at the Mazda dealer, they automatically give me (and everyone else) the longer filter.
They reserve the short ones for some Miatas, since it has limited engine compartment clearance for the oil filter. I am told that the filters have identical by-pass settings.
You can use the longer filter for the 626's 2.5 liter V6 without worry. I have been using them for a while on my '99 protege (identical to 2000 model) without problems. When I purchase an oil filter at the Mazda dealer, they automatically give me (and everyone else) the longer filter.
They reserve the short ones for some Miatas, since it has limited engine compartment clearance for the oil filter. I am told that the filters have identical by-pass settings.
In CANADA all oem toyota honda mazda oil filters are made by fram.So which filter to use and where can I get it in TORONTO,CANADA.I use ac delco on dads 3.1 chev malibu.Why does mazda use garbage fram up here,we are behind the americans.What namebrand quality filters exist in TORONTO,CANADA
All OEM Mazda filtes are made by either Tennex and Tokyo Roki...usually Tennex.
As for using the 626 V6 filter on your Protege, go for it. Lots of us over at this community have been doing it for years, and we've never had any problems.
As for using the 626 V6 filter on your Protege, go for it. Lots of us over at this community have been doing it for years, and we've never had any problems.
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Plato, your best bet in Toronto is the K&N oil filter from Canadian Tire. You won't be able to get the larger filter though, as that large filter for your car is the one for the Probe GT, and I tried to get one of these for my mom's Probe with no luck. Karbelt sells K&N but they are $22 each! CT has them for $14 when on sale (about once a month)
It sucks up here, we have such a limited supply of good filters! I think NAPA sells their Gold filters up here, those are probably pretty decent.
It sucks up here, we have such a limited supply of good filters! I think NAPA sells their Gold filters up here, those are probably pretty decent.
The last Motorcraft FL1A I bought leaked when I did the "hand tight" technique. I gave it another 3/4 turn with a wrench and that pretty much cured it.quote:
Originally posted by Whimsey:
For 30 years I always hand tightened the oil filters because that's what was always told. However, you got me thinking (ouch that hurts) and I just read the Motorcraft filter box for a FL 200 and it says to tighten WITH a filter wrench an additional 3/4-1 turn after hand turning the filter till the gasket makes contact. Now I'm confused!Ironically I can barely get my hand on the filter, no less a wrench.
Whimsey
I use the "end wrench" type of filter wrench, not a strap type wrench. I'm surprised you can't one of those on the filter.
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