Not an issue any longer. It was isolated to 2 engines that are no longer used and only for a short specific time frame. If I rember right it was 1999-2001 and was related to the 3.0V6 and 2.2I4 used in the Camry,Sienna and Rav4. It effected less then 1% of those vechiles. We have a few of those engines on this site that are spotless inside so it was not as wide spread as the doom sayers would have you belive. The current crop of engines inthe Camry are completely new designs the I4 has only been in use since 2002 and the V6 has only ben in use since 2006 I think not sure on the V6. I have just under 50,000 miles on my 2003 Camry and no slude or even varnish at all! I change my oil every six months reguardless of milage but I do use synthetic oil.
sludge issue with new toyotas
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Nice try John.
It's '97-'01 4cly Camrys,'97-'02 V6 Camrys, '99-'01 4cy Soleras, '99-'02 V6 Soleras, '98-'02 V6 Siennas,'97-'02 V6 Avalons, '97-'99 4cly Celicas, '01-'02 V6 Highlanders,'97-'02 ES300 Lexus, and '99-'02 LX300 Lexus.
It sure took Toyota a long time to "cop" to a reduced sentence. The class action lawsuit that Toyota lost in this matter actually was very leiniant towards them.
http://www.oilgelsettlement.com./
It binds the owners and former owners of these POS engines to an agreement that doesn't cover sludge, only sludge damage and related expenses. And you still have to jump through hoops while on fire to collect damages.
Sludge IMHO is like clogged pulmonary arteries, you can have a lot of blockage before the the "engine" quits running or has drastic symptoms.
Rickey.
It's hard to sling a bent connecting rod around here without hitting a sludged up Toyota.
It's '97-'01 4cly Camrys,'97-'02 V6 Camrys, '99-'01 4cy Soleras, '99-'02 V6 Soleras, '98-'02 V6 Siennas,'97-'02 V6 Avalons, '97-'99 4cly Celicas, '01-'02 V6 Highlanders,'97-'02 ES300 Lexus, and '99-'02 LX300 Lexus.
It sure took Toyota a long time to "cop" to a reduced sentence. The class action lawsuit that Toyota lost in this matter actually was very leiniant towards them.
http://www.oilgelsettlement.com./
It binds the owners and former owners of these POS engines to an agreement that doesn't cover sludge, only sludge damage and related expenses. And you still have to jump through hoops while on fire to collect damages.
Sludge IMHO is like clogged pulmonary arteries, you can have a lot of blockage before the the "engine" quits running or has drastic symptoms.
Rickey.
It's hard to sling a bent connecting rod around here without hitting a sludged up Toyota.
John, You know the real issue is that Toyota, for all their legendary status in consumerdom, had to have a class action lawsuit brought against them to address the problem, and even then, they blame their customer to this day for the cause of the problem. Toyota is just another large profit seeking company with motivations that dont equal their status as the benevolent car company for the masses. I'm not saying they dont make good products, because I believe they do, but they cant be looked at as the "good guy" in the business anymore.
I have a 2001 Camry V6 with 83K.
Got it shortly before the oil sludge thing got going.
I used regular oil (pennzoil and schaeffer) then I developed a ticking sound. It would go away for 200 miles after an oil change, then come back. Used AutoRx--twice. It may have gone a way for about 500 miles, but then it came back.
Then I switched to Mobil 1 5w30. After three oil changes the noise went away...For good.
Now I do about 3K oil changes. I look at the oil and would change it sooner if it got dark. It is barely changing color at 3K.
Don't know what is going on in that engine, but it apparently has some hot spots or poor circulation. Toyota's response has been poor, but is not surprising.
This beats the issues I have with my 165K 1995 Windstar. Head gasket recall (it ate coolant) Poor transmission (rebuilt) and finally a cracked engine block. Just put in a rebuilt engine last year.
Got it shortly before the oil sludge thing got going.
I used regular oil (pennzoil and schaeffer) then I developed a ticking sound. It would go away for 200 miles after an oil change, then come back. Used AutoRx--twice. It may have gone a way for about 500 miles, but then it came back.
Then I switched to Mobil 1 5w30. After three oil changes the noise went away...For good.
Now I do about 3K oil changes. I look at the oil and would change it sooner if it got dark. It is barely changing color at 3K.
Don't know what is going on in that engine, but it apparently has some hot spots or poor circulation. Toyota's response has been poor, but is not surprising.
This beats the issues I have with my 165K 1995 Windstar. Head gasket recall (it ate coolant) Poor transmission (rebuilt) and finally a cracked engine block. Just put in a rebuilt engine last year.
First post. Great site. I have 3 Toyota’s and 2 of them do lots of very short trips of 1 mile several times a day so I am concern about possible sludge build up and cold starts. I found this Toyota sludge topic not long after I was reading on the Mobil 1 site and found the sentences listed below.
In the Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 Product Data Sheet:
"Prevents deposits and sludge build-up to enable long engine life"
In the Mobil 1 5w30 Product Data Sheet:
“Helps prevent deposits and sludge build-up to enable long engine life”
I have pretty much have decided now that this is just a marketing statement. Is it just marketing (to state “prevents”) or could EP be good enough to say prevents and not helps prevent? What do you guy’s think?
I must confess I fell for it (marketing) and changed from Mobil 1 5w30 to Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 at last OCI. I am trying to learn….
Please forgive me if I didn’t post this correctly…. I will learn ASAP.
In the Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 Product Data Sheet:
"Prevents deposits and sludge build-up to enable long engine life"
In the Mobil 1 5w30 Product Data Sheet:
“Helps prevent deposits and sludge build-up to enable long engine life”
I have pretty much have decided now that this is just a marketing statement. Is it just marketing (to state “prevents”) or could EP be good enough to say prevents and not helps prevent? What do you guy’s think?
I must confess I fell for it (marketing) and changed from Mobil 1 5w30 to Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 at last OCI. I am trying to learn….
Please forgive me if I didn’t post this correctly…. I will learn ASAP.
You cant go wrong with a Camry, or an Accord, for that matter IMO. However, just for kicks, you ought to take a look at the Hyundai Sonata for comparison's sake. I can't find anyone saying anything bad about a Sonata the last couple of years. Their quality is "way" up over several years ago.
Disclaimer: I own a 2005 Elantra, and I like it.
Disclaimer: I own a 2005 Elantra, and I like it.
That statement certainly does not line up with my firsthand experience with the "sludge issue". Toyota showed me that they stood behind their mistakes and even some that were not their fault. Sorry your experience was not the same.
When your product is not strong it is very tempting to try to tear down the better and try to expose weaknesses.. This is the fault of human nature. Sad really.
It amazes me that my family has owned Toyota's since 1971 and we have never had any sludge issues at all. For that matter I have never had sludge on any of the demostics I have owned either.In terms of engine problems even 1997-2002 is nothing! Rickey last time I say such sustained venom as you have for Toyota I was talking to a Neo Nazi trying to under stand his venom for Catholics,Jews and Blacks. I am not saying that you are in the same league as that Neo Nazi only that your malice and hatred of Toyota is like wise disperpotional. Would you mind telling us why you have such malice and hate for Toyota? Did Toyota cause yousome harm or wronged you in some way? My bias toward Toyota comes from a long long history of family ownership that has been almost trouble free. So my bias is out in the open. Even then I will routinely point out flaws that they have made over the years. I also compliment domestic designs when I think they have praise comeing to them.
I think it's time to invoke Godwin's Law for this thread...
...by the way, I found a Ford TSB for sludge on the 5.0L engine that came out in 1989 or so. One of the notable interesting recommendations made is to change the PCV valve and screen every 15K. I don't think I've changed mine for at least 40K.
But that's probably not required since API SM is so much better than the API SF oil that was out when Ford issued that TSB. I expect that API SF oil was much more prone to sludge.
It's nice to know that Autozone still sells what is claimed as an API SF oil for people who can't afford an extra 50 cents per quart.
...by the way, I found a Ford TSB for sludge on the 5.0L engine that came out in 1989 or so. One of the notable interesting recommendations made is to change the PCV valve and screen every 15K. I don't think I've changed mine for at least 40K.
But that's probably not required since API SM is so much better than the API SF oil that was out when Ford issued that TSB. I expect that API SF oil was much more prone to sludge.
It's nice to know that Autozone still sells what is claimed as an API SF oil for people who can't afford an extra 50 cents per quart.
^^^ I don't have any big issues w/Toyota either, but by working in a related industry I can say with certainty that by buying an import you are not doing the best thing for your fellow Americans. Like it or not, the import brands do not bring as many jobs to America as they take away. Their commercials try to tell you otherwise, and that's where I have problems with them. Not to mention the profits go overseas and even the dealers and sales staff don't make as much profit by selling them (less markup). The domestics have just as good if not better products out there but whenever anyone mentions this they bring up intake manifold issues with a specific V-6. They can't mention the 2.2 Ecotec, almost indestructible FWD automatics, or anything else good about GM. You will only hear bad things from them.
So Cousincletus, should I be expecting your order for one of our Made in the USA Sun workstations, or are you going to continue to use computer gear made in Taiwan?
Actually, I believe only are largest servers are made here, in our factory in California, from components sourced from all over the world, just like GM or Ford or most other car makers.
PS, I'm 0-2 on GM automatic transmissions. Ex-wifes Sunbird lunched one at under 75K miles, and my LeSabre did the same before 100K. Both maintaned, and not abused.
Actually, I believe only are largest servers are made here, in our factory in California, from components sourced from all over the world, just like GM or Ford or most other car makers.
PS, I'm 0-2 on GM automatic transmissions. Ex-wifes Sunbird lunched one at under 75K miles, and my LeSabre did the same before 100K. Both maintaned, and not abused.
How are the capacitors in those Sun workstations?
I don't do that low level component work, but I have seen no FCO's or FIN's regarding failed capacitors, at any level.
I have a SPARCstationn5 that's probably 10+ years old, that I just recently took out of service in my home. Replaced a couple of DIMMS, probably because I was using way too large (spelled too hot) hard drives in the case. These drives were not qualified for that server.
I have an Ultra 30 running in my basement, and the only thing that brings that down is power outages. Ditto for my Ultra 10 that's my VPN workstation.
So if they are failing, we don't see them in the field. The vendors who supply the assemblies re-work them, test them, and they become spare parts.
I have a SPARCstationn5 that's probably 10+ years old, that I just recently took out of service in my home. Replaced a couple of DIMMS, probably because I was using way too large (spelled too hot) hard drives in the case. These drives were not qualified for that server.
I have an Ultra 30 running in my basement, and the only thing that brings that down is power outages. Ditto for my Ultra 10 that's my VPN workstation.
So if they are failing, we don't see them in the field. The vendors who supply the assemblies re-work them, test them, and they become spare parts.
That's good...I'm sure you are aware of the major problem with faulty electrolytic caps from China. I've seen many different devices ranging from DVD players to monitors to motherboards with this problem.
I have a Sparcstation 20 collecting dust in my basement. It worked the last time I powered it on.
I have a Sparcstation 20 collecting dust in my basement. It worked the last time I powered it on.
brianl703-
To much surprise and conspiracy theories behind the great "exploding lytic caps" mysteries coming from mainland China, much of them has to do with (1)quality issues (b)counterfeit stuff (c)stolen formulas from a defected engineer who subsequently ended up working in China.
More to this stories if anyone interested.
As for DVD players, etc. yes, they are all build to a price point and you DO have to realise how "cheep" those capacitors used inside a 19.99 Walmart DeeVeeDee players, do you?
How about 1/8 ~1/12 of the price of Japanese premium line of capacitor brands such as Rubycon, or 1/6~1/8 of Nichicon?
These homey capacitors from China are known to bear the grunt and fail far sooner than what the industry standards call for,and there's nothing you can do about it so long as consumers demand such "cheep" price from the consumer electronic products, ditto with computer products.
To much surprise and conspiracy theories behind the great "exploding lytic caps" mysteries coming from mainland China, much of them has to do with (1)quality issues (b)counterfeit stuff (c)stolen formulas from a defected engineer who subsequently ended up working in China.
More to this stories if anyone interested.
As for DVD players, etc. yes, they are all build to a price point and you DO have to realise how "cheep" those capacitors used inside a 19.99 Walmart DeeVeeDee players, do you?
How about 1/8 ~1/12 of the price of Japanese premium line of capacitor brands such as Rubycon, or 1/6~1/8 of Nichicon?
These homey capacitors from China are known to bear the grunt and fail far sooner than what the industry standards call for,and there's nothing you can do about it so long as consumers demand such "cheep" price from the consumer electronic products, ditto with computer products.
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Wait until that 8 speed Lexus transmission gets shared.
I would hope Toyota first fixed their 5 speed ATs correct before getting to the LS430/LS460 8 speed ATs.
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