Sign of the times.

can you imagine how the society will look alike lets say 50Y from now on; yes, consumers will have access to everything at their convenience and in comfort but at what cost, the real question lingers
True, but 50 years from I'll be 95. Autonomous cars might be my friend, if I'm this side of the grass, for keeping some resemblance of independence.

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I have a question. Who are real stickshift drivers? Those who can take a clutch to 500k? or those who can powershift and take a 0-60 as low as possible? Two totally different skillsets it seems to me, with different goals and expectations. I can't powershift to save my life: does that make me a bad driver?
 
I have a question. Who are real stickshift drivers? Those who can take a clutch to 500k? or those who can powershift and take a 0-60 as low as possible? Two totally different skillsets it seems to me, with different goals and expectations. I can't powershift to save my life: does that make me a bad driver?
The real stick shift drivers? Well, I would say those who can do both…

AND heel and toe the downshift to rev match, and double clutch a non-synchro transmission.
 
I have a question. Who are real stickshift drivers? Those who can take a clutch to 500k? or those who can powershift and take a 0-60 as low as possible? Two totally different skillsets it seems to me, with different goals and expectations. I can't powershift to save my life: does that make me a bad driver?
The driver that can do both very well. But power shifting really isn't that important to 99.9% of manual drivers.
 
The driver that can do both very well. But power shifting really isn't that important to 99.9% of manual drivers.
But let's get the skillset correct. Just knowing how to shift does not mean one is any good at it. Just like knowing how to pass a driver's test does not mean one is really proficient at driving.
 
But let's get the skillset correct. Just knowing how to shift does not mean one is any good at it. Just like knowing how to pass a driver's test does not mean one is really proficient at driving.
I said do it "very well", which means very skillfully.
 
I have a question. Who are real stickshift drivers? Those who can take a clutch to 500k? or those who can powershift and take a 0-60 as low as possible? Two totally different skillsets it seems to me, with different goals and expectations. I can't powershift to save my life: does that make me a bad driver?

Here's a data point for you: I once lost the clutch cable in my 1985 Volvo 240 (yes, of course, it was a wagon) it just plain broke.

No clutch.

I drove all the way home without being able to use the clutch. I timed (retro edit) the upshifts. Rev-matched the downshifts. Looked far ahead to make sure I didn't hit a red light.

I reckon that if you can drive a stick, and shift smoothly without using the clutch, you're a real stickshift driver.
 
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I'm near 60 and drove manuals from the beginning. But over the years I have worked with a number of people who were older than I and had never learned to drive a stick themselves. So back in the 1960s and 1970s, depending on the part of the country, new drivers who could handle only automatics were around then. I never understood that.

It's great to drive a stick when it's light-effort and fun, but some in trucks and performance cars are a bear. The 4–speed (3 + OD) in my brother's 1983 Ford pickup had very long throws, who knows why. The manual transmission in my old diesel Mitsubishi tractor was far easier and better than that one. :LOL:
 
I have a question. Who are real stickshift drivers?

Lets just say I don't have a (non-synchronized) manual transmission restriction on my CDL.

Reading this thread in a Freightliner Cascadia rn. Looking at you "manual" transmission drivers.
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Valet'd my foxbody many years ago. Told the valet (early 20s, same age I was at the time) that the car has an aluminum flywheel, revs up quick, & he may want to ride the clutch a lil so it doesn't stall. He snarkly said "I can drive stick, dude" & preceded to stall it. I had to retrieve the car myself after dinner 😂
 
I lost a clutch as a teen: could get it to start in 2nd, then shift into 5th and got it home. Dropped the trans. Some spring busted in pressure plate, so replaced it (only to goober up the output trans seal in the process, go figure). Later in college I had fun for a couple weeks shifting the trans in my Subie sans clutch, just rev matching. Was fun but didn't keep at it for too long, wasn't sure how much I was abusing the syncro's.

Honestly I'm not that good at driving a manual, can't speed shift, and stall the car every once in a while. I know I'm on my last manual trans car. I know how to do it, just not any good at it, and now it's too late to really learn.
 
OK I'm a boomer.
I taught my wife and both kids to drive a stick.
My reasoning was you may never own one but someday for whatever reason you may have to drive one.
My son just recently bought a 2018 Mustang GT with a stick because he bought it as a toy and wanted to have fun with it.
 
I'm near 60 and drove manuals from the beginning. But over the years I have worked with a number of people who were older than I and had never learned to drive a stick themselves. So back in the 1960s and 1970s, depending on the part of the country, new drivers who could handle only automatics were around then. I never understood that.

It's great to drive a stick when it's light-effort and fun, but some in trucks and performance cars are a bear. The 4–speed (3 + OD) in my brother's 1983 Ford pickup had very long throws, who knows why. The manual transmission in my old diesel Mitsubishi tractor was far easier and better than that one. :LOL:
I used to like it but never bought one for myself. I drove stick for work a lot and friend's cars and trucks. It just seemed to me it would get old? annoying to have all the time. No disrespect it just another choice - some like / some don't.
 
The manual option started being dropped before cell phones were common. I've seen people reading books and newspapers while driving so phones arent any new revelation.

If the majority of new car buyers were wanting manual transmissions then they would be available and commonplace. Now the part that will ruffle feathers, I believe that most people that complain about not being able to find manual transmissions are not buying new vehicles so that makes any argument from them moot.
 
The manual option started being dropped before cell phones were common.
If the majority of new car buyers were wanting manual transmissions then they would be available and commonplace. Now the part that will ruffle feathers, I believe that most people that complain about not being able to find manual transmissions are not buying new vehicles so that makes any argument from them moot.

Manual option was disappearing before that.

Literally doesn’t Matter several automakers are using the excuse they can’t get chips for transmissions

If it’s a choice between no cars or a manual I doubt it will matter what people want, can’t have a 2-3 year wait on every car forever
 
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