Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School

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Originally Posted By: 97tbird
This is present - there ARE GUNS NOW ! it has BEEN invented!
it's about dealing with present and preventing FUTURE massacres.

I don't think (until time machine is invented) anything can be done about those massacres BEFORE guns were there.


It's not the gun as he could have picked MANY ways to massacre people, like a "car". Are you gonna ban cars as well??
 
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Originally Posted By: 97tbird
GTREA article:

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"...What’s the lesson of the Connecticut school massacre? The faster the weapon, the higher the body count.."


You should READ the link (which is against the rules here due to the comments but since I'm in this thread I'm not going to do anything with it myself) but READ what a Chinese person did to a school room and kids withOUT a gun.

Wonder how that happened?

And so on. No guns yet evil happened.

I guess we should only care about these acts if many kids get killed. If one or ten that is okay but if 20-30 then "high speed" weapons need to be controlled.

Once you get guns banned what other amendment do you want to go after? How about the first one? Since you ignore one then the others must mean little to you?

Amazing. Really is.
 
"22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack" --- 2 more than in Connecticut.

A knife, not a gun. See?? You cannot stop it.

If not a knife, a car. If not a car, a van. If not a van, water poisoning. If not water poisioning, screwdrivers. If not screwdrivers, glass schards.

See?

If there's a will, there's a way.
 
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
"22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack" --- 2 more than in Connecticut.

Except that none of those Chinese kids died.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
"22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack" --- 2 more than in Connecticut.

Except that none of those Chinese kids died.


They could have... What if the 20 children here did not die?

It still would have been horrific. Would there have been any less of a foolish call on a ban??

No.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
"22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack" --- 2 more than in Connecticut.

Except that none of those Chinese kids died.


So instead of slashing 22 kids the freak could have killed 2,3,4,8 (whatever number) it would be okay with folks since he used "only" a knife?

If he had time to slash 22 kids he had time to kill at least one.

At least one.
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I think putting attention on the device is so productive. I mean if we can save even one life its a good thing to do. Never mind the other life's that will be taken be cause we ignored the person (I'll use that word with regret) and what made them comment such a terrible act.

(hey we should outlaw cars because he used one to get to the school, no car then he would be walking down the street with whatever instrument of killing and get noticed!)

Just think, no car or firearms this would not have happened.

Yes I know that is ridiculous but so is banning certain types of weapons. Those SAME weapons have saved more life's then they have taken.
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
"22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack" --- 2 more than in Connecticut.

Except that none of those Chinese kids died.


So instead of slashing 22 kids the freak could have killed 2,3,4,8 (whatever number) it would be okay with folks since he used "only" a knife?

Who said it would be okay?

All I'm saying is the more deadly the weapon, the more causalities in the same amount of time.
 
So, 22 is not ok, but 10 is?

Better ban gasoline then. No more than 2 gallons per day, per person.

Oh, wait, look what you can do with 2 gallons of gasoline...

Better make it 1 gallon.

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See??????
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
So instead of slashing 22 kids the freak could have killed 2,3,4,8 (whatever number) it would be okay with folks since he used "only" a knife?

Who said it would be okay?

All I'm saying is the more deadly the weapon, the more causalities in the same amount of time.

ANY is too many. So let's figure out how to stop ANY.

The school had new "improved" security measures. Ones that taxpayers paid for. Worked really well didn't it? A guy dressed with evil military clothing and a "Bullet proof" vest carrying 3 weapons got in.

I can come up with a much better system. And I'm not a professional but common sense does happen here and there.

Bottom line for me. Evil is bad. Evil people will get their point across whatever it is. We need to take care and get help BEFORE they can act with ANY weapon. Gas can, bomb, car, pistol, shotgun , etc.

More "evil" weapons are being used day in and day out safely with no one being hurt except maybe the bad guys.

Bill
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: tpitcher

So, 22 is not ok, but 10 is?

None of it is OK, as I said. But it means 12 were saved.


So, what are you gonna do if Gasoline is the next weapon of choice for the next 10 massacres...??

You don't get it, do you?
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Are you going to take us back to the Stone Age or Roman Empire? Oh, wait, what happened then?
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See?? (Yet??)
 
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
So, what are you gonna do if Gasoline is the next weapon of choice for the next 10 massacres...??

Let's make nuclear weapons legal then and available to all citizens. I mean, it doesn't matter. A weapon is a weapon, right?
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
"22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack" --- 2 more than in Connecticut.

Except that none of those Chinese kids died.


Here's just one from a couple years ago.

New York Times

They seem to have an epidemic of lunatics killing kids at school with knives, or cleavers in this case, in China. A knife is considered to be a lethal weapon by the Police in this country, so why isn't anyone screaming for all of these dangerous weapons to be banned? That makes sense, right?
 
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
So, what are you gonna do if Gasoline is the next weapon of choice for the next 10 massacres...??

Let's make nuclear weapons legal then and available to all citizens. I mean, it doesn't matter. A weapon is a weapon, right?


Well I'm glad you don't go overboard.

Please list the good things you can do with one.

I can list many ways weapons that the evil person used the other day that others use for the good.

I can list many ways gasoline is used for the good.

I can list many ways knifes are used for the good.

I can list many ways vehicles are used for good.

I can list many ways airplanes are used for good.

Yet all of the above can be used for evil and kill people.

And yet some people want to ban some of the above. They all have been used in the past (and will be used in the future) for killing so if one gets banned should not all of them?
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
So, what are you gonna do if Gasoline is the next weapon of choice for the next 10 massacres...??

Let's make nuclear weapons legal then and available to all citizens. I mean, it doesn't matter. A weapon is a weapon, right?



Gasoline is available to people "now". Making a Nuke available to everyone is way out of scope and possibility.

So, what would you do if Gas, which can dispatch people faster than a couple of guns..... was the next weapon of "choice"??

Remember about will... They will use anything.....
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I can list many ways weapons that the evil person used the other day that others use for the good.

I'm sorry, but as a whole, the contribution which guns have made to society is a bit questionable in my view.

Of course, that is just my view. You are entitled to your own.
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah

Once you get guns banned what other amendment do you want to go after? How about the first one? Since you ignore one then the others must mean little to you?

Amazing. Really is.



What's going wrong with going after amendments (through due process), or even the meat of the Constitution? That's why they call them amendments.

Better, IMO, to go to the source, than to pass some goofy and unconstitutional law that'll get shot down by the courts in ten years.

I would not put words in OPs mouth. He can disagree with one article and not the rest of them. Maybe he sees things in shades of gray, and not a unilateral view.
 
Once again, Chicago has the strictest gun laws, yet the most gun crime.

Please Google results for the least gun crime where there are gun carry laws - links like that.
It will not be what the media portrays.

Did it matter How Herr H. killed millions? By what means? Or was the real problem the man himself?
 
LOL all the arguments in the defense of un-restricted all out gun use compare guns to screwdrivers, cars, etc.
No wonder on bitog, though. It's hopeless to even argue against such baseless comparisons. But NOT one of those arguments addressed the fact that the amount of damage GUNS can do in a certain amount of time in a planned massacre can't be done using a knife or screwdriver.

If they could, (if guns are the same as screwdrivers cars and knives) I wonder why these school massacres, (present and past) and movie theater shootings, shooting of the congresswoman were done with guns and not screwdrivers....
 
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