Seen Shell 0w40 Sythetic on shelf today at my local UFA. How good is this stuff?
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Shell 0w40 Synthetic how good is it?
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Very good.
Make sure you check the specs before you use it...
http://www-static.shell.com/static/can-en/downloads/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/1-15.pdf
It only meets CG4 (if you you're using it in a diesel). And only SJ for gassers.
http://www-static.shell.com/static/can-en/downloads/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/1-15.pdf
It only meets CG4 (if you you're using it in a diesel). And only SJ for gassers.
y2k345
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I was told it was DMO, I think I can use DMO Syn in a gas engine.Chevy, GMC and one Dodge trucks?
I don't think the Shell 0W40 is DMO...two different oils. DMO meets CI4+ (although its not API certified), and was reported to have an Esso Base stock, but a COOP additive pack:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1127692/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1127692/
y2k345
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Originally Posted By: D-Roc
I don't think the Shell 0W40 is DMO...two different oils. DMO meets CI4+ (although its not API certified), and was reported to have an Esso Base stock, but a COOP additive pack:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1127692/
Huh?
I don't think the Shell 0W40 is DMO...two different oils. DMO meets CI4+ (although its not API certified), and was reported to have an Esso Base stock, but a COOP additive pack:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1127692/
Huh?
I wont speak for D-roc, but if Shell 0-40 is what D-roc says it is then it will be a good oil.
I can say this if it helps, I have personally found out that DMO Co-op oil in thier 0-40 syn IS the same Esso base stock in Group 1V POA as the Esso XD3 0-40 syn. Also the add pack Co-op puts in this oil is very close, actually nearly exact to the specs of the CI-4 XD3 0-40. I do have the DMO Co-op specs somewhere here, have posted them in this forum while back, can post them to you if you want.
D-roc, is this really true, is Shell 0-40 = to DMO Co-op? What is UFA charging for this oil? last I checked Co-op DMO was around $6.00 litre.
Cyprs
I can say this if it helps, I have personally found out that DMO Co-op oil in thier 0-40 syn IS the same Esso base stock in Group 1V POA as the Esso XD3 0-40 syn. Also the add pack Co-op puts in this oil is very close, actually nearly exact to the specs of the CI-4 XD3 0-40. I do have the DMO Co-op specs somewhere here, have posted them in this forum while back, can post them to you if you want.
D-roc, is this really true, is Shell 0-40 = to DMO Co-op? What is UFA charging for this oil? last I checked Co-op DMO was around $6.00 litre.
Cyprs
Originally Posted By: Cyprs
I wont speak for D-roc, but if Shell 0-40 is what D-roc says it is then it will be a good oil.
I can say this if it helps, I have personally found out that DMO Co-op oil in thier 0-40 syn IS the same Esso base stock in Group 1V POA as the Esso XD3 0-40 syn. Also the add pack Co-op puts in this oil is very close, actually nearly exact to the specs of the CI-4 XD3 0-40. I do have the DMO Co-op specs somewhere here, have posted them in this forum while back, can post them to you if you want.
D-roc, is this really true, is Shell 0-40 = to DMO Co-op? What is UFA charging for this oil? last I checked Co-op DMO was around $6.00 litre.
Cyprs
No, Cyprs. I didn't say that DMO SL 0W40 is Shell 0W40, that was y2k345's comments, (previous post, someone told him so). And the Shell 0W40's specs are a little outdated for HDEO use, and even for many of today's gassers. I echoed your sentiments (and posted the link to the thread where you did the homework for us on the DMO SL 0W40- Thanks, by the way...I bought a couple of cases. The spec sheet is also in the thread that I provided the link for...in which you made said posts.
I wont speak for D-roc, but if Shell 0-40 is what D-roc says it is then it will be a good oil.
I can say this if it helps, I have personally found out that DMO Co-op oil in thier 0-40 syn IS the same Esso base stock in Group 1V POA as the Esso XD3 0-40 syn. Also the add pack Co-op puts in this oil is very close, actually nearly exact to the specs of the CI-4 XD3 0-40. I do have the DMO Co-op specs somewhere here, have posted them in this forum while back, can post them to you if you want.
D-roc, is this really true, is Shell 0-40 = to DMO Co-op? What is UFA charging for this oil? last I checked Co-op DMO was around $6.00 litre.
Cyprs
No, Cyprs. I didn't say that DMO SL 0W40 is Shell 0W40, that was y2k345's comments, (previous post, someone told him so). And the Shell 0W40's specs are a little outdated for HDEO use, and even for many of today's gassers. I echoed your sentiments (and posted the link to the thread where you did the homework for us on the DMO SL 0W40- Thanks, by the way...I bought a couple of cases. The spec sheet is also in the thread that I provided the link for...in which you made said posts.
Originally Posted By: y2k345
Originally Posted By: D-Roc
I don't think the Shell 0W40 is DMO...two different oils. DMO meets CI4+ (although its not API certified), and was reported to have an Esso Base stock, but a COOP additive pack:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1127692/
Huh?
Please explain your confusion, y2k345.
Originally Posted By: D-Roc
I don't think the Shell 0W40 is DMO...two different oils. DMO meets CI4+ (although its not API certified), and was reported to have an Esso Base stock, but a COOP additive pack:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1127692/
Huh?
Please explain your confusion, y2k345.
y2k345
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So it is Esso oil with a coop add pack? I thought it was 100% Shell
thanks D-Roc, now that UFA seems to be going out of the XD3 Esso line I might go to the 0-40 DMO Co-op syn, unfortunately the 0-30 in Co-op DMO is syn blend, perfect world would have been if Co-op would use the Esso 100% Group 1V base stock in their 0-30 version as they did in their 0-40 version.
Cyprs
Cyprs
y2k345
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Originally Posted By: Cyprs
thanks D-Roc, now that UFA seems to be going out of the XD3 Esso line I might go to the 0-40 DMO Co-op syn, unfortunately the 0-30 in Co-op DMO is syn blend, perfect world would have been if Co-op would use the Esso 100% Group 1V base stock in their 0-30 version as they did in their 0-40 version.
Cyprs
so you don`t think the 0w40 syn shell is very good?
thanks D-Roc, now that UFA seems to be going out of the XD3 Esso line I might go to the 0-40 DMO Co-op syn, unfortunately the 0-30 in Co-op DMO is syn blend, perfect world would have been if Co-op would use the Esso 100% Group 1V base stock in their 0-30 version as they did in their 0-40 version.
Cyprs
so you don`t think the 0w40 syn shell is very good?
I don't think you'll find folks saying "its not good", but the specs on it are a little outdated...check out the posts I made above with reference to the spec sheets. Esso XD-3 meets CJ4/SM, COOP DMO 0W40 meets CI4(+)/SL, and the Shell only meets CG4/SJ.
If all you need it for is those required specs, that's great. But if it was me, I would choose the latest spec for the price you'll end up paying...
If all you need it for is those required specs, that's great. But if it was me, I would choose the latest spec for the price you'll end up paying...
y2k345
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I`ll be using it in Gas engines from the 90`s would it be good enough?
And where can a guy find out what all the CI4, CG4 etc., means or stands for?
And where can a guy find out what all the CI4, CG4 etc., means or stands for?
y2k345, if you have a manual for your 90s vehicles' engines then the manual will tell you what gas rating of oil your engine requires, then cross reference that manual gas rated spec with the spec on oil you may want to use and then see if that oil rating qualifies for your engine.
Your CI-4 or CJ-4 applies to the Diesel rating, the following SJ, SL or SM after / applies to your gasoline oil rating.
A typical rating for HDEO is CJ-4/SM, diesel/gas oil rating.
A gas only rated oil usually only will be SM, SL or SJ.
A CJ-4/SM HDEO meets all the lastest requirements for older and newer engines (has less zinc to protect cats on most 2007+ diesel engines), the CI-4/SL will do the job for most engines pre 2007 and has more zinc. There is a lot of discussion in here on HDEO use is gas engines, pros and cons, for gas engines the CJ-4/SM has less zinc which some believe has less harmful effect on the cat in gas engines. CI-4/SL will do fine in engines pre 2007 if you want an HDEO in gas engine and are not bothered with the higher zinc levels. I yet to hear of a cat being destroyed by an HDEO in a gas engine yet, I for one have used high zinc (1500 ppm XD3 CI-4/SL) for years now and still have no problems with cats in new and old gas engines for years now.
I think D-roc is telling you that it is okay to use an older oil rated oil that meets your engines' specs, BUT I beleive he is telling you that for the same price you might as well get a better higher rated oil than the Shell version you speak of.
If you look around you can still find good CI-4/SL HDEOs like Co-op DMO 0-40 which meets the specs of CI-4/SL XD3 which I use now because I stocked up on it, the new CJ-4/SM XD3 will do fine too for your needs on 1990 engines too, my son's 94 olds 3.1 thrives on XD3 0-30 syn HDEO CI-4/SL, Pitzel runs 52,000 kms OCI on his 3.1 with XD3 0-30, I am not advocating that to anyone but he would tell you of his success doing it.
As D-roc said there is nothing wrong with Shell version, just do as he adviced and be sure it meets your engine's oil requirement Y2; but why not use a higher rated oil like Co-op DMO CI-4/SL with a group 1V syn basestock like XD3 syn oils or XD3 CJ-4/SM with the same group 1V basestock for about the same price as the older rated shell 0-40?
only suggesting Y2.
Hope this helps some Y2.
Cyprs
Your CI-4 or CJ-4 applies to the Diesel rating, the following SJ, SL or SM after / applies to your gasoline oil rating.
A typical rating for HDEO is CJ-4/SM, diesel/gas oil rating.
A gas only rated oil usually only will be SM, SL or SJ.
A CJ-4/SM HDEO meets all the lastest requirements for older and newer engines (has less zinc to protect cats on most 2007+ diesel engines), the CI-4/SL will do the job for most engines pre 2007 and has more zinc. There is a lot of discussion in here on HDEO use is gas engines, pros and cons, for gas engines the CJ-4/SM has less zinc which some believe has less harmful effect on the cat in gas engines. CI-4/SL will do fine in engines pre 2007 if you want an HDEO in gas engine and are not bothered with the higher zinc levels. I yet to hear of a cat being destroyed by an HDEO in a gas engine yet, I for one have used high zinc (1500 ppm XD3 CI-4/SL) for years now and still have no problems with cats in new and old gas engines for years now.
I think D-roc is telling you that it is okay to use an older oil rated oil that meets your engines' specs, BUT I beleive he is telling you that for the same price you might as well get a better higher rated oil than the Shell version you speak of.
If you look around you can still find good CI-4/SL HDEOs like Co-op DMO 0-40 which meets the specs of CI-4/SL XD3 which I use now because I stocked up on it, the new CJ-4/SM XD3 will do fine too for your needs on 1990 engines too, my son's 94 olds 3.1 thrives on XD3 0-30 syn HDEO CI-4/SL, Pitzel runs 52,000 kms OCI on his 3.1 with XD3 0-30, I am not advocating that to anyone but he would tell you of his success doing it.
As D-roc said there is nothing wrong with Shell version, just do as he adviced and be sure it meets your engine's oil requirement Y2; but why not use a higher rated oil like Co-op DMO CI-4/SL with a group 1V syn basestock like XD3 syn oils or XD3 CJ-4/SM with the same group 1V basestock for about the same price as the older rated shell 0-40?
only suggesting Y2.
Hope this helps some Y2.
Cyprs
y2k345
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Thanks Cyprus
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