Shelf brand coatings vs higher end brands

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Someone on AG was nice enough to write up a good post on the difference in quality between something like TW SNS compared to Cquartz UK or IGL. Many on here probably already know this. I did to some level, but not from the chemistry side. It's what one would expect.

"In terms of compounding and not needing to compound, a chemical break down of the item in comparison might give some hints and be revealing.

Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating uses IPA as the only solvent in the product.
By comparison, Reload has two different kinds of siloxane, naptha, methanol, benzyl benzoate, 1-2-4 Trimethylbenzene, as well as Orange Oil.
Meguiar's Ceramic Spray Wax uses ethoxylated C12-16 Alcohols, which is used as an emulsion for water and an oily substance to combine them together effectively.

Compared to Cquartz UK, it's main solvents are Nonane, naptha, methanol and Trimethylbenzen and it contains multiple forms of organic siloxane.
Compare that to GTechniq Crystal Serum (Pro version) It uses a proprietery hydrotreated light distillate, which is essentially a petroleum distillate as the solvent in it. Does a similar job to the methanol, naptha, nonane, methanol and trimethylbenzene as Cquartz UK. All very strong solvents, hence the jet fuel smell when you open the bottle.

In comparison to two similar products as well as two true coatings, Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating does not contain a high enough percentage of ceramic anything.

To give an example of a more "green" and "solvent free" product, IGL Kenzo contains smoothing agents at the very least in the form of Triethoxy-n-octylsilane and 3-Glycidyloxypropyltrimethoxysilane as a bonding agent.

The Hybrid Spray Coating, judging by it's chemical solvents, lacks anything that is used as a bonding agent for true ceramic (whether SiO2 or SiC) coverage. It is most likely, made up of very strong polymers with a small amount of SiO2 that relies on the polymer of choice to crosslink and bond to the paint itself. This is kind of revealed to be most likely as they state that two applications will leave you a longer period of protection. That is only likely if no strong solvents are involved. Essentially, they are using a kind of polymer that does not require a smoothing agent or a bonding agent directly to bond onto paint, especially by their choice of carrier solvent as IPA.

In comparison to their ICE Spray Wax, it's water, Polydimethylsiloxane and Carnauba in emulsion form (already mixed with smoothing agents and solvents).
For seal and shine, they use polydimethylsiloxane and aocohol ethoxylates as the solvent/smoothing agent.

Biggest difference between "spray coatings" and "true coatings" is actually the liquid bonding agent and carrier solvent. The bonding agent and carrier solvent needs to be strong enough to hold whatever protection agent they use soluble such as SiO2, SiC, PDMS, whatever, all mixed together. And they need to in the liquid form, enable the protection agent to bond onto the paint as well as completely evaporate into the air at the same time. Very expensive mixtures. The cost that you're really paying for isn't the SiO2. SiO2 is cheap, if you were to take let's say Cquartz finest, the TiO and the SiO2 is probably like.. 10 percent of the actual cost. The rest of it is the bonding agent and carrier agent (Solvent). It's why the "true coatings" will always be more expensive than the spray coatings. Also why spray coatings don't last as long. To make a spray coating last for 2 or 3 years, well, imagine paying 200-300 dollars for CanCoat."

Chemically, the two are different in the sense (it seems from the chemicals used) that the polymers in Ceramic Spray Coating has a very low percentage of actual ceramic molecules involved, and needs a curing time due to the crosslinking effects of those polymers.
Seal N Shine has a strong solvent that deposits the PDMS onto the surface. PDMS doesn't really require curing time, it's just on or not.

Judging from that, I wouldn't call this a coating at all but a very economical but effective sealant.
 
Interesting discussion.

In my opinion, coatings were the big thing until companies like CarPro introduced Reload spray which was intended as a quick refresh to the coating similar to a detailer. Users found out that Reload and similar products worked pretty well on their own as a quick coating/sealant and the ease of use was a winner over the coatings.

Some will remember Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer. That stuff was was ahead of its time. People discovered that it, on its own made a pretty good spray sealant. It was and still is I presume a big seller for Sonax. I had a bottle of it myself.

Coatings will have their place but these new spray products are taking the detailing market by storm. Easy to use and you get a great shine with decent durability. The companies have figured out how to make these sprays easy to work with which has helped win over consumers.
 
Interesting discussion.

In my opinion, coatings were the big thing until companies like CarPro introduced Reload spray which was intended as a quick refresh to the coating similar to a detailer. Users found out that Reload and similar products worked pretty well on their own as a quick coating/sealant and the ease of use was a winner over the coatings.

Some will remember Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer. That stuff was was ahead of its time. People discovered that it, on its own made a pretty good spray sealant. It was and still is I presume a big seller for Sonax. I had a bottle of it myself.

Coatings will have their place but these new spray products are taking the detailing market by storm. Easy to use and you get a great shine with decent durability. The companies have figured out how to make these sprays easy to work with which has helped win over consumers.
Then you have products like Gyeon Cancoat which are less fussy than Reload, but last almost a year on their own. Every time.
 
Interesting information. Where it lost me a bit was the apparent attempt to compare say CQuartz UK, to TW spray and seal. A better comparison might have been TW to HydrO2 or the McKees HydroBlue SiO2 (or whatever its called).

I agree theres no comparison with a real coating. But that said, I am a believer in the cheaper, easier spray on stuff... on top of a properly coated vehicle.
 
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When coatings came on the scene and the interwebs was abuzz with how great they are, a lot of backyard detailers went out and bought Gyeon or CQuartz or Kamikaze based on what they read. Many discovered that it wasn’t as easy as they thought or that their prep and application wasn’t proper so they got upset.

These spray products had their teething period too but now are easy to use as long as you follow instructions.
 
I test drove Avalon King:

It seems to work well, not as awesome as they show on TV and the website, but I am happy with it. Price is good, and I usually use other things after a wash too to keep up the paint protection. But I would buy it again. For a consumer grade product, I'd say its worth a try.
 
The question remains is a 1-2yrs old ceramic coating better than a sealent such as meguiars NXT etc that is applied every 2-3 months?
 
The question remains is a 1-2yrs old ceramic coating better than a sealent such as meguiars NXT etc that is applied every 2-3 months?

For a everyday driver perhaps not. For those that have a really nice car and want it to look it’s best then the higher end coatings fit the bill. Even then, they do require a bit of maintenance to keep the shine up. For the Toyota Vios driver, the Meguiars will be just fine.
 
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