Yeah, I have to agree with AP9 that the VI of the 'standard' Mercon V is too high to not be a blend, which leaves us with the question of what the 'synthetic blend' stuff is doing different. Its too bad there is no PDS posted for that stuff.
Semi-Synthetic Mercon V
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So is anything more than plain old Mercon V really necessary?
My ex's Mercury Marauder (not the one in my sig) has had drain & fills with Motorcraft, Castrol, Valvoline, or Supertech Mercon V every 25-30,000 miles or so since she's owned it, starting at 87,xxx and it's now at 175,xxx. No idea how it was serviced before she bought it, although it must have been done at least once...the baby-rattle was missing. Transmission shifts perfectly and the fluid that comes out looks almost as good as the fresh stuff going in.
My ex's Mercury Marauder (not the one in my sig) has had drain & fills with Motorcraft, Castrol, Valvoline, or Supertech Mercon V every 25-30,000 miles or so since she's owned it, starting at 87,xxx and it's now at 175,xxx. No idea how it was serviced before she bought it, although it must have been done at least once...the baby-rattle was missing. Transmission shifts perfectly and the fluid that comes out looks almost as good as the fresh stuff going in.
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
So is anything more than plain old Mercon V really necessary?
My ex's Mercury Marauder (not the one in my sig) has had drain & fills with Motorcraft, Castrol, Valvoline, or Supertech Mercon V every 25-30,000 miles or so since she's owned it, starting at 87,xxx and it's now at 175,xxx. No idea how it was serviced before she bought it, although it must have been done at least once...the baby-rattle was missing. Transmission shifts perfectly and the fluid that comes out looks almost as good as the fresh stuff going in.
How often do you drop the pan, clean it and the magnet, and change the filter?
So is anything more than plain old Mercon V really necessary?
My ex's Mercury Marauder (not the one in my sig) has had drain & fills with Motorcraft, Castrol, Valvoline, or Supertech Mercon V every 25-30,000 miles or so since she's owned it, starting at 87,xxx and it's now at 175,xxx. No idea how it was serviced before she bought it, although it must have been done at least once...the baby-rattle was missing. Transmission shifts perfectly and the fluid that comes out looks almost as good as the fresh stuff going in.
How often do you drop the pan, clean it and the magnet, and change the filter?
I did a pan drop when we first acquired it (at 87,xxx) and added the drain plug. Magnet had only a little sludge, and the pan just a light film. The fluid that came out looked nice and pink and clear...just a tiny bit dark.
Automatic transmissions generate the majority of their wear materials in the first 10-15,000 miles from new, and that material is what the filter was designed to trap. After the initial throw-off, material generation goes way down, so the replacement filter will last MUCH longer. When I dropped the pan, I noticed the baby-rattle was missing, so the trans had been serviced at least once before we acquired it. I put in a new filter anyway because I already had it on hand, but it probably wasn't needed. Now that it has a drain plug, I haven't had the pan off since that first time.
I *may* pull the pan and install another filter at 200,000...it's at 175,xxx now.
Automatic transmissions generate the majority of their wear materials in the first 10-15,000 miles from new, and that material is what the filter was designed to trap. After the initial throw-off, material generation goes way down, so the replacement filter will last MUCH longer. When I dropped the pan, I noticed the baby-rattle was missing, so the trans had been serviced at least once before we acquired it. I put in a new filter anyway because I already had it on hand, but it probably wasn't needed. Now that it has a drain plug, I haven't had the pan off since that first time.
I *may* pull the pan and install another filter at 200,000...it's at 175,xxx now.
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
I did a pan drop when we first acquired it (at 87,xxx) and added the drain plug. Magnet had only a little sludge, and the pan just a light film. The fluid that came out looked nice and pink and clear...just a tiny bit dark.
Automatic transmissions generate the majority of their wear materials in the first 10-15,000 miles from new, and that material is what the filter was designed to trap. After the initial throw-off, material generation goes way down, so the replacement filter will last MUCH longer. When I dropped the pan, I noticed the baby-rattle was missing, so the trans had been serviced at least once before we acquired it. I put in a new filter anyway because I already had it on hand, but it probably wasn't needed. Now that it has a drain plug, I haven't had the pan off since that first time.
I *may* pull the pan and install another filter at 200,000...it's at 175,xxx now.
When I bought my F150 new my Ford tech friend suggested I drop the pan at 24K miles and add a drain. Then, every 30K miles just drain and add the required 4 qts. of Mercon V.
I too "may" drop the pan at next drain and fill.
Here are some pics of the 1/4" thread o let I Tig welded onto my pan.
I did a pan drop when we first acquired it (at 87,xxx) and added the drain plug. Magnet had only a little sludge, and the pan just a light film. The fluid that came out looked nice and pink and clear...just a tiny bit dark.
Automatic transmissions generate the majority of their wear materials in the first 10-15,000 miles from new, and that material is what the filter was designed to trap. After the initial throw-off, material generation goes way down, so the replacement filter will last MUCH longer. When I dropped the pan, I noticed the baby-rattle was missing, so the trans had been serviced at least once before we acquired it. I put in a new filter anyway because I already had it on hand, but it probably wasn't needed. Now that it has a drain plug, I haven't had the pan off since that first time.
I *may* pull the pan and install another filter at 200,000...it's at 175,xxx now.
When I bought my F150 new my Ford tech friend suggested I drop the pan at 24K miles and add a drain. Then, every 30K miles just drain and add the required 4 qts. of Mercon V.
I too "may" drop the pan at next drain and fill.
Here are some pics of the 1/4" thread o let I Tig welded onto my pan.
For my wife's 2005 Explorer we average 28,000 miles between ATF changes, all with Motocraft Mercon V. The vehicle was bought new and the dealer did a complete ATF exchange without dropping the pan and changing the filter the first at 25,000 miles. Next 3 times my indie mechanic did a pan drop, filter change and then a full exchange with Motorcraft Mercon V. We recently had it changed again. He dropped the pan and changed the filter and refilled the pan without a complete exchange. He said everything in the transmission looked brand new and it would be a waste to spend more money to then do a complete fluid exchange afterwards. It shifts perfectly, same as when it was new. Hopefully spending the money on the fluid changes will save us from buying a new transmission for many more miles. The Explorer now has ~145,000 on it.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
I did a pan drop when we first acquired it (at 87,xxx) and added the drain plug. Magnet had only a little sludge, and the pan just a light film. The fluid that came out looked nice and pink and clear...just a tiny bit dark.
Automatic transmissions generate the majority of their wear materials in the first 10-15,000 miles from new, and that material is what the filter was designed to trap. After the initial throw-off, material generation goes way down, so the replacement filter will last MUCH longer. When I dropped the pan, I noticed the baby-rattle was missing, so the trans had been serviced at least once before we acquired it. I put in a new filter anyway because I already had it on hand, but it probably wasn't needed. Now that it has a drain plug, I haven't had the pan off since that first time.
I *may* pull the pan and install another filter at 200,000...it's at 175,xxx now.
When I bought my F150 new my Ford tech friend suggested I drop the pan at 24K miles and add a drain. Then, every 30K miles just drain and add the required 4 qts. of Mercon V.
I too "may" drop the pan at next drain and fill.
Here are some pics of the 1/4" thread o let I Tig welded onto my pan.
I think I need to do something like that for my CVPI. I have the original pan from my LX since it has a LPW cast aluminum pan now. I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
I did a pan drop when we first acquired it (at 87,xxx) and added the drain plug. Magnet had only a little sludge, and the pan just a light film. The fluid that came out looked nice and pink and clear...just a tiny bit dark.
Automatic transmissions generate the majority of their wear materials in the first 10-15,000 miles from new, and that material is what the filter was designed to trap. After the initial throw-off, material generation goes way down, so the replacement filter will last MUCH longer. When I dropped the pan, I noticed the baby-rattle was missing, so the trans had been serviced at least once before we acquired it. I put in a new filter anyway because I already had it on hand, but it probably wasn't needed. Now that it has a drain plug, I haven't had the pan off since that first time.
I *may* pull the pan and install another filter at 200,000...it's at 175,xxx now.
When I bought my F150 new my Ford tech friend suggested I drop the pan at 24K miles and add a drain. Then, every 30K miles just drain and add the required 4 qts. of Mercon V.
I too "may" drop the pan at next drain and fill.
Here are some pics of the 1/4" thread o let I Tig welded onto my pan.
I think I need to do something like that for my CVPI. I have the original pan from my LX since it has a LPW cast aluminum pan now. I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
There is a factory part number for a pan with a plug already installed. I have one in my garage for my mom's Grand Marquis. F8UZ-7A194-AA is the p/n
Ah, yes, the infamous 'UHaul' pan.
Isnt that like, really expensive?
Isnt that like, really expensive?
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Ah, yes, the infamous 'UHaul' pan.
Isnt that like, really expensive?
just under $80 list. Not bad really. I got mine from another dealer selling off old stock for cost -50%
Ah, yes, the infamous 'UHaul' pan.
Isnt that like, really expensive?
just under $80 list. Not bad really. I got mine from another dealer selling off old stock for cost -50%
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Ah, yes, the infamous 'UHaul' pan.
Isnt that like, really expensive?
just under $80 list. Not bad really. I got mine from another dealer selling off old stock for cost -50%
Lucky [censored].
Texas motors will sell it for $60, so thats not too bad. Ill consider it.
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Ah, yes, the infamous 'UHaul' pan.
Isnt that like, really expensive?
just under $80 list. Not bad really. I got mine from another dealer selling off old stock for cost -50%
Lucky [censored].
Texas motors will sell it for $60, so thats not too bad. Ill consider it.
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Lucky [censored].
Texas motors will sell it for $60, so thats not too bad. Ill consider it.
Perks of the job my friend.
Lucky [censored].
Texas motors will sell it for $60, so thats not too bad. Ill consider it.
Perks of the job my friend.
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
What is a "bung?" Isn't that another word for rear end, a**, or backside?
I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
What is a "bung?" Isn't that another word for rear end, a**, or backside?
If that is a serious question a Bung is the plug for the hole in the side of a barrel. Generally plugged.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
What is a "bung?" Isn't that another word for rear end, a**, or backside?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-596702
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
What is a "bung?" Isn't that another word for rear end, a**, or backside?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-596702
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
What is a "bung?" Isn't that another word for rear end, a**, or backside?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-596702
32 years in the pipe fitting world, we call it a thread-o-let.
http://grabcad.com/library/tag/threadolet
bung:
1
: the stopper especially in the bunghole of a cask; also : bunghole
2
: the cecum or **** especially of a slaughtered animal
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
What is a "bung?" Isn't that another word for rear end, a**, or backside?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-596702
32 years in the pipe fitting world, we call it a thread-o-let.
http://grabcad.com/library/tag/threadolet
bung:
1
: the stopper especially in the bunghole of a cask; also : bunghole
2
: the cecum or **** especially of a slaughtered animal
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
What is a "bung?" Isn't that another word for rear end, a**, or backside?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-596702
32 years in the pipe fitting world, we call it a thread-o-let.
http://grabcad.com/library/tag/threadolet
bung:
1
: the stopper especially in the bunghole of a cask; also : bunghole
2
: the cecum or **** especially of a slaughtered animal
*shrugs* Ive always heard it called a bung. First time Ive heard of a 'thread-o-let'.
But, then, you've been in pipe fittings longer than Ive been alive.
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I could take that and have someone weld a bung in.
What is a "bung?" Isn't that another word for rear end, a**, or backside?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-596702
32 years in the pipe fitting world, we call it a thread-o-let.
http://grabcad.com/library/tag/threadolet
bung:
1
: the stopper especially in the bunghole of a cask; also : bunghole
2
: the cecum or **** especially of a slaughtered animal
*shrugs* Ive always heard it called a bung. First time Ive heard of a 'thread-o-let'.
But, then, you've been in pipe fittings longer than Ive been alive.
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
*shrugs* Ive always heard it called a bung. First time Ive heard of a 'thread-o-let'.
But, then, you've been in pipe fittings longer than Ive been alive.
Colt, it's all good. I am thinking that "they" call it a "bung" because it plugs a hole.
You can order that thread-o-let from Summit and find a welding shop to Tig weld it onto your pan. Usually shops have a minimum fee of $25. It took me less than 5 minutes to weld mine. I used to run a pipe fab shop so I had EVERYTHING available to me.
If you do go that route go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy a brass plug for the drain. And, "NO" Teflon tape or pipe dope is needed!
*shrugs* Ive always heard it called a bung. First time Ive heard of a 'thread-o-let'.
But, then, you've been in pipe fittings longer than Ive been alive.
Colt, it's all good. I am thinking that "they" call it a "bung" because it plugs a hole.
You can order that thread-o-let from Summit and find a welding shop to Tig weld it onto your pan. Usually shops have a minimum fee of $25. It took me less than 5 minutes to weld mine. I used to run a pipe fab shop so I had EVERYTHING available to me.
If you do go that route go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy a brass plug for the drain. And, "NO" Teflon tape or pipe dope is needed!
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
*shrugs* Ive always heard it called a bung. First time Ive heard of a 'thread-o-let'.
But, then, you've been in pipe fittings longer than Ive been alive.
Colt, it's all good. I am thinking that "they" call it a "bung" because it plugs a hole.
You can order that thread-o-let from Summit and find a welding shop to Tig weld it onto your pan. Usually shops have a minimum fee of $25. It took me less than 5 minutes to weld mine. I used to run a pipe fab shop so I had EVERYTHING available to me.
If you do go that route go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy a brass plug for the drain. And, "NO" Teflon tape or pipe dope is needed!
Yeah. Ive been thinking about doing the same with a OE 8.8 alum cover I have. Obviously buy a aluminum thread o let. I have a spare one I got off of somebody that I ended up putting on the CVPI because the one it had I didnt want to mess with cleaning up. I think the person that opened it last took one of those tubes of RTV meant for use in a caulk gun, and used the whole thing. Its a mess and thats really the part Im not looking forward to.
Anyway, Ill see if I can find somebody to do some welding on the side. I know plenty of welders at work, its finding somebody who has equipment at home to do it. I'd like to get it setup so I can put it on when I drop the pan and do the JMod to the trans.
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
*shrugs* Ive always heard it called a bung. First time Ive heard of a 'thread-o-let'.
But, then, you've been in pipe fittings longer than Ive been alive.
Colt, it's all good. I am thinking that "they" call it a "bung" because it plugs a hole.
You can order that thread-o-let from Summit and find a welding shop to Tig weld it onto your pan. Usually shops have a minimum fee of $25. It took me less than 5 minutes to weld mine. I used to run a pipe fab shop so I had EVERYTHING available to me.
If you do go that route go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy a brass plug for the drain. And, "NO" Teflon tape or pipe dope is needed!
Yeah. Ive been thinking about doing the same with a OE 8.8 alum cover I have. Obviously buy a aluminum thread o let. I have a spare one I got off of somebody that I ended up putting on the CVPI because the one it had I didnt want to mess with cleaning up. I think the person that opened it last took one of those tubes of RTV meant for use in a caulk gun, and used the whole thing. Its a mess and thats really the part Im not looking forward to.
Anyway, Ill see if I can find somebody to do some welding on the side. I know plenty of welders at work, its finding somebody who has equipment at home to do it. I'd like to get it setup so I can put it on when I drop the pan and do the JMod to the trans.
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Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
*shrugs* Ive always heard it called a bung. First time Ive heard of a 'thread-o-let'.
But, then, you've been in pipe fittings longer than Ive been alive.
Colt, it's all good. I am thinking that "they" call it a "bung" because it plugs a hole.
You can order that thread-o-let from Summit and find a welding shop to Tig weld it onto your pan. Usually shops have a minimum fee of $25. It took me less than 5 minutes to weld mine. I used to run a pipe fab shop so I had EVERYTHING available to me.
If you do go that route go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy a brass plug for the drain. And, "NO" Teflon tape or pipe dope is needed!
Yeah. Ive been thinking about doing the same with a OE 8.8 alum cover I have. Obviously buy a aluminum thread o let. I have a spare one I got off of somebody that I ended up putting on the CVPI because the one it had I didnt want to mess with cleaning up. I think the person that opened it last took one of those tubes of RTV meant for use in a caulk gun, and used the whole thing. Its a mess and thats really the part Im not looking forward to.
Anyway, Ill see if I can find somebody to do some welding on the side. I know plenty of welders at work, its finding somebody who has equipment at home to do it. I'd like to get it setup so I can put it on when I drop the pan and do the JMod to the trans.
Colt, when I do ANY differential service, where I have to remove a cover, I always go back with a gasket.
This is what I use on the 8.8.
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail...4&ppt=C0363
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
*shrugs* Ive always heard it called a bung. First time Ive heard of a 'thread-o-let'.
But, then, you've been in pipe fittings longer than Ive been alive.
Colt, it's all good. I am thinking that "they" call it a "bung" because it plugs a hole.
You can order that thread-o-let from Summit and find a welding shop to Tig weld it onto your pan. Usually shops have a minimum fee of $25. It took me less than 5 minutes to weld mine. I used to run a pipe fab shop so I had EVERYTHING available to me.
If you do go that route go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy a brass plug for the drain. And, "NO" Teflon tape or pipe dope is needed!
Yeah. Ive been thinking about doing the same with a OE 8.8 alum cover I have. Obviously buy a aluminum thread o let. I have a spare one I got off of somebody that I ended up putting on the CVPI because the one it had I didnt want to mess with cleaning up. I think the person that opened it last took one of those tubes of RTV meant for use in a caulk gun, and used the whole thing. Its a mess and thats really the part Im not looking forward to.
Anyway, Ill see if I can find somebody to do some welding on the side. I know plenty of welders at work, its finding somebody who has equipment at home to do it. I'd like to get it setup so I can put it on when I drop the pan and do the JMod to the trans.
Colt, when I do ANY differential service, where I have to remove a cover, I always go back with a gasket.
This is what I use on the 8.8.
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail...4&ppt=C0363
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