sears tool set, which to buy?

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Originally Posted By: brelandt
kinda leaning towards this one...
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00930569000P?prdNo=24&blockNo=24&blockType=G24
Reason being it has lots of extensions and the larger metric deepwell that i use just on my truck alone!
lipadj46 went to the site you provided but they had a few odd/broken links when i was attempting to look further into their products.....


Several good ideas but the basic set you have linked is a good start. The ONLY thing I would change is the ratchets for now. A good Snap-on 80 tooth or Matco 88 is worth the money. Check out Garage Journal or EBay for a good deal on one or buy one with your 50% student discount.

There are a few things that I would call a "must" from the truck. Buy with cash WHEN you can and AS NEEDED and you won't get into trouble with payments if anything happens. The Snap-on flare nut wrenches, gold colored heavy duty Torx sockets and Hex sockets are worth the money and almost any pro tech with have them.

Sears also carries pliers made by Knipex at a lower cost than the "Knipex" brand ones. Other than that, wait until you get into the business and see what is required in the shop you are at. You might need SAE and metric or just one of them, the shop might furnish pullers, DVOM's, etc. You should also look and see what the better techs in the shop have, use and buy. Not the techs that THINK they are good, but the ones that DO the work without comebacks. THOSE are the guys you want to talk to and ask questions about the tools of the trade.

I have a LOT of Snap-on tools and think they are some of the best available BUT they are VERY expensive for a beginning tech and a lot of them are re-branded from other suppliers. If they are re-branded, buy them from the OEM and save the cash. Examples of those would be PI and CDI for torque wrenches, Fluke for meters, Star for compression and fuel pressure gauges (they are the OEM for Matco). Other companies have some of the best gear out there but are limited in what they supply (Bondhaus, Channel Lock, Mayhew, etc).

All of those can come on an as needed basis. The general rule in a shop is if you have had to borrow a tool twice, buy it. Always remember, if you borrow a tool, RETURN IT CLEAN. If you break it, own up to it and buy the tech another of the same type. You will always have their respect and will not have a problem borrowing a tool that way. One BIG thing to remember. If you value your life, don't go digging around in another techs box without them telling you it is OK. You can and will get hurt doing that.....

For a box, I would suggest a GOOD cart to start with. They can be rolled all over the shop to where they are needed, will be an addition to your main box that you will wind up buying (if you stay in the business). A GOOD cart is not cheap but will be abused, rolled, dinged, have the casters dropped into holes, etc. I prefer Snap-on KRSC series (my current is a KRSC326) as they are made in Canada, tough as nails, have good casters and they LAST. If you can find an equal to them from Matco or Mac, go for it.

You can get a cheaper cart (HF comes to mind) but they will not hold up in a shop environment as well as a pro level box. They are great for home or light duty use however. Be very careful of the tools you buy at places like HF. Most of the hand tools are low quality and you need to sift thru a lot to find a few "gems".
 
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There are(were) quite a number major high quality US tool makers. Every one has their following. Craftsman is as good as any, especially the ones made by Armstrong.

I bought a new Williams crescent type wrench a couple weeks ago, Made in China. The quality is perfect and fine, that isn't my objection. My objection is the transfer of know how and technology, essentially for free. R&D that was developed over many decades is just being taken with no effort or compensation.

IMO the Craftsman are as good as any, and getting the USA sets now may be smart. It is so not true the screwdrivers and ratchets are junk. If you look at the Armstrong website and look at the prices, you can see what good USA made costs, a lot. So to get USA made in Craftsman for much less is a bargain.
 
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IMO the Craftsman are as good as any, and getting the USA sets now may be smart. It is so not true the screwdrivers and ratchets are junk.


Yes the craftsman clear handled screwdrivers are junk and soft, the pear head ratchets are garbage and easily reverse under light loads. I'm guessing you don't know too much about tools if you are saying craftsman are as good as any and that they are the same as armstrong. Just because both are made by danahar does not mean they are the same.

The only craftsman ratchets worth a [censored] are the thin profile 60 tooths and the new 84 tooth premium ratchets. Craftsman pro wrenches used to be great but now they are made in china. Craftsman flarenut wrenches by SK were great now they are made in china. The knipex craftsman pro pliers were great now they are made in china, and so on and so forth. Soon there will be no craftsman USA tools.

Sure there are some decent tools with the craftsman name on it but they are getting fewer and farther between and are for the most part made by someone else. The craftsman will soon be a ghost of it's past and will be begging for harbor freight's seconds. It's a shame too because their new premium ratchets blow away any armstrong ratchet and are better than the matco counterpart. Too bad the will soon be discontinued as your average american tool buy won't cough up $60 for a ratchet when they can get those black oxide abominations for $20 with a socket set.
 
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Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: defektes


+1 Chris hit the nail on the head, ratchets = garbage. Full polish craftsman wrenches are great, sockets are great, and some of the pliers are good. Regular combo wrenches areok but they will make your hand sore.


Craftsman Pro wrenches are made in china now for the same price as the old USA versions.

The new craftsman premium 84 tooth ratchets are very nice, right up there with snap on.


I went to sears a week ago and all the full polish wrenches are still US made.
 
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Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: defektes


+1 Chris hit the nail on the head, ratchets = garbage. Full polish craftsman wrenches are great, sockets are great, and some of the pliers are good. Regular combo wrenches areok but they will make your hand sore.


Craftsman Pro wrenches are made in china now for the same price as the old USA versions.

The new craftsman premium 84 tooth ratchets are very nice, right up there with snap on.


I went to sears a week ago and all the full polish wrenches are still US made.


I'm talking about the craftsman professional long pattern wrenches that used to be really great wrenches right up there with wright, williams and armstrong and now are made in china.
 
I'm betting some of the Snap-On , Mac and other so called pro tools are made offshore now too .

Thing is , if you have a lifetime warranty like Sears offers then you should be fine , just look over what they have and get the better grade as mentioned .

Another to maybe look at would be the Husky tools at Home Depot ? , used to ge good but I haven't got any for years .
 
Stopped at Lowes tonight to look at some BBQ grills to get my old man for Christmas and looked through the tools there. Seem to be the same price as Sears. They had the 3/8 and 1/2 torques for the same price. Need time to go through all of those links everyone has helped me with. thanks for the help so far!
 
Originally Posted By: brelandt
kinda leaning towards this one...
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00930569000P?prdNo=24&blockNo=24&blockType=G24
Reason being it has lots of extensions and the larger metric deepwell that i use just on my truck alone!
lipadj46 went to the site you provided but they had a few odd/broken links when i was attempting to look further into their products.....


That looks like a nice set. I think you'd still need a bit more in your budget when you come across other things you may need. More pliers/vise grips, a big breaker bar, big hammer, impact driver, dash trim tools, oil filter wrench etc.
 
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
It's a shame too because their new premium ratchets blow away any armstrong ratchet and are better than the matco counterpart. Too bad the will soon be discontinued as your average american tool buy won't cough up $60 for a ratchet when they can get those black oxide abominations for $20 with a socket set.


Exactly... We do most of the damage to ourselves.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
It's a shame too because their new premium ratchets blow away any armstrong ratchet and are better than the matco counterpart. Too bad the will soon be discontinued as your average american tool buy won't cough up $60 for a ratchet when they can get those black oxide abominations for $20 with a socket set.


Exactly... We do most of the damage to ourselves.


Agreed. I was at sears during black Friday. Hanging out by the tools section while the wife was looking at exercise equipment, guy after guy came up and went right to the china made craftsman labels.
 
Originally Posted By: ajchien
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
It's a shame too because their new premium ratchets blow away any armstrong ratchet and are better than the matco counterpart. Too bad the will soon be discontinued as your average american tool buy won't cough up $60 for a ratchet when they can get those black oxide abominations for $20 with a socket set.


Exactly... We do most of the damage to ourselves.


Agreed. I was at sears during black Friday. Hanging out by the tools section while the wife was looking at exercise equipment, guy after guy came up and went right to the china made craftsman labels.


that is sickening.

I was just at sears today and got a set of the Nipex pliers for 20 bucks on sale, and a set of the craftsman black pliers that are riveted together for 20 bucks too. Not too bad.
 
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Harbor Freight may become the new Sears in tools. It could happen. They sure want it to happen.

On another note, I have several "pear shaped" Craftsman ratchets starting from at least thirty years ago, never had one reverse or fail. I have had 3 foot pipe extensions on them at times, and nothing ever happened. As far as the clear handled screwdrivers, same thing, nothing wrong. I have the black pro sets, not any better steel I can tell. Screwdrivers have to be tough, not so hard, and should wear out eventually. If they are too hard they chip and break. The Craftsman USA are made right, and just like all the other USA made tools, by people who need to keep their jobs here in the USA. If others have bad Craftsman ratchets or screwdrivers, they can return them for replacements.
 
well screwdrivers I use the clear craftsman ones for automotive work. I use them for prying, screwing, punching, etc, that way I do not ruin my good Klien and SnapOn screwdrivers. When it comes to fitting a screw though, thats when you tell the inferiority of them.

I also got a set of cushion grip cman screwdrivers with the hardened heads, those are pretty good, I got those when I did electrical work before I went to klien.
 
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That's true, but I see no difference in fit myself, when new. On instruments it used to be I would grind my own tips down, under magnification, to fit precisely in the slot. Same thing here, I tend to save my old high grade tools, but in some ways that proves my point. If the expensive screwdriver will get ruined, well isn't that saying it also wears out? The Craftsman takes the beating and then isn't so precise anymore? I've chipped concrete with my Craftsman clear handles. I dug a big one up in the yard that was trashed, and got a brand new one in exchange I still have. It must have fallen in the dirt, and I liked to rototill a lot at the time, so I think I tilled it under with weeds. I think that's actually how I found it again, years later, when tilling. I just don't see it like you guys, sorry.
 
Nah, they arent bad, the warranty is what makes them good, snap on and klien wont take back a screwdriver due to abuse. I have not tried the red and black handles professional ones yet. Those have a nice finish on them.
 
OK, got my sears cards for Christmas. So I bought the 260 piece mechanics toolset. Was $199. For that I got a bunch of sockets and wrenches and not much else. I will go back tomorrow and get a set of breaker bars, pliers and snap-ring pliers.
I noticed on the box that the tools are made in the USA!
 
Look on ebay too. it seems entire skiens of sockets or wrenches destined for 'gift ideas' from sears fall off trucks and these guys sell at 50% discount.

they come in gray or black holders.

I wont even try to attempt to recall where I got my tools from except to say I am about 80% craftsman with a few sets of stanley in there - for rare use large metric socket sets - cannot beat stanley from walmart.

the only thing I break is common screw drivers. dont care who makes em, they just dont hold up as chisels/prybars ;-)

btw my primary roller came from sams club about 8 years ago - stainless steel. that impresses people who come into the shop more than anything else. TSC has some now, but for a lot more than what I paid....
 
I saw a nice SS tool cabinet with rollers at Costco's out here a few weeks ago. Cheap and pretty well made. Had ball bearing drawers with self closing mechanism. Last time I went down there they where all gone. hope they get more.
Lowes is right next door to my house and I think I'll go over there and check out their torque wrenches. I think they are the same price as sears. $75 for the 1/2 and $70 for the 3/8? Something like that.
 
Originally Posted By: lipadj46


Craftsman pro wrenches used to be great but now they are made in china. Craftsman flarenut wrenches by SK were great now they are made in china. The knipex craftsman pro pliers were great now they are made in china, and so on and so forth. Soon there will be no craftsman USA tools.

Sure there are some decent tools with the craftsman name on it but they are getting fewer and farther between and are for the most part made by someone else.


When are we going to start seeing this stuff in stores? I was in Sears yesterday and about 99% of the Craftsman stuff there was US made, including all the items you mentioned. Old stock, possibly?
 
Originally Posted By: brelandt
OK, got my sears cards for Christmas. So I bought the 260 piece mechanics toolset. Was $199. For that I got a bunch of sockets and wrenches and not much else. I will go back tomorrow and get a set of breaker bars, pliers and snap-ring pliers.
I noticed on the box that the tools are made in the USA!


Congrats on the new tools. If you are looking for some nice pliers, head to Lowes and pick up the combo pack of Knipex Cobra pliers. The 10" and 7" are on sale for less than $30 (that is usually the price for the 10" alone)and also take a look at Klein and Channel Lock pliers. The Klein and Channel Locks are made in the USA by the way (Knipex are made in Germany)...
 
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