Schaeffer’s 9000 vs Amsoil SS for NON-DI application

[JLTD]

Originally Posted by lukejo
I'm intrigued by Shaeffer's 9000 in 5w-30, and all of the anti-wear additives it purports to contain. It claims to meet Dexos 1. Amsoil states it meets Gen 2. Amsoil has lower NOACK and higher TBN. While Amsoil's site IS marketing, it does at least document percentages of performance as compared to required certification tests, etc. Scaeffer's site is extremely general and vague in nature.
I'm wondering, in a 5w-30 application not requiring Gen 2 (NA), and not utilizing extended OCI's, would Shaeffer's provide better wear protection than Amsoil under more severe driving, such as lots of towing?
Please just comment on this comparison/contrast...I obviously know there are other comparable oils at Walmart. (I don't see many S9000 UOAs to compare)


Both great oils, IMO, and I have the same questions myself.

Here's a sample of the Schaeffer 9000 5w30 I used in an F150 (5.0) year before last. This was almost 10k, towing 5500# for 1500 miles and another 1500 miles of high speed through Wyoming at altitudes from 2300' all the way up to 7000'. I think that once I use the last of the Amsoil I bought for the 4Runner, I'll run the Schaeffer and compare UOAs.

 

[benjy]

loke big pharma that test their OWN drugs i DON"T trust either them or Amsoil, as they quietly switched to WHATEVER from touting PAO!!! in the USA advertisilg allows full synthetic to BE group III or IV or V or any combination thereof PERIOD!!!

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by benjy
loke big pharma that test their OWN drugs i DON"T trust either them or Amsoil, as they quietly switched to WHATEVER from touting PAO!!! in the USA advertisilg allows full synthetic to BE group III or IV or V or any combination thereof PERIOD!!!


All oil formulations are proprietary past what we can see in VOA's. Mobil 1 was the first to do this change after the Castrol nonsense where it the uproar for them or any other company?

Just because it's not all PAO or Esters or a combination of these base oils (if that is the case) doesn't mean a darn thing. REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE is what speaks volumes, furthermore why would they touting 25,000 mile oil changes if it wasn't capable. Surely they would have back peddled from that and there would be scores of folks launching class action lawsuits which just isn't happening. Heck even M1 isn't using all PAO or Esters and they have a 20,000 mile oil. So why is that OK?

Whatever floats your boat though but don't go spreading information you have no proof or facts for.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Shannow
There's a difference between DOING the tests, and claiming that they meet or exceed the tests.

For e.g. take oil A that meets Sequence IVA (wear test)...do a 4 ball on it, then on amsoil, bingo, Amsoil meets or exceeds...without the expensive test.

We don't know if that's what they do (they won't tell us anything other than trust us)...we don't know that's not what they don't do.

The "nothing blew up tests", or "the pile of failed engines" don't demonstrate for a second that they meet the industry tests that they claim.



https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-prod...rcent-synthetic-motor-oil/?code=ASMQT-EA

There is quite a bit of testing data along with test results and TDS information here.


Thanks Dave...I'm still hung up on one of the diesel oil threads where asking what they did to claim a specific OEM diesel test was met with "so you are saying that they are doing no testing"...no, I asked what they DID to verify that test...promised answers for a few weeks then it died.

If they are doing sequence IVA, that's a good thing, and I have (partially) changed my views, although I think there's a lot of inferred, or trust us.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Show me mass failures or horror stories or bankruptcies of the company. I can show you my Santa Fe that ran the majority of its life on Amsoil but I guess it was just an exception right? .


There we go with the histrionic hyperbole again...

 

[StevieC]

No you need to provide proof to back up your claims. I provided my one real world experience of a high mileage engine I have running the product and asked you to show me proof of your claim.

 

[jongies3]

If you're not going to utilize extended OCI's or racing, why waste the cash on a boutique oil? Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Platinum will do the job nicely for any OEM interval and you can sleep easy at night. And if you wanna stretch your dollar and do the rebates, you can get a synthetic oil change for cheaper than conventional most cases.

 

[madeej11]

Stevie boy, it's very admirable you fighting tooth and nail for Amsoil. Far as I'm concerned they blend some of the best oils available anywhere in the world. Some of these guys you're jousting with can't be swayed. Comes a point where it's just a waste of breath and time. Good solid American underdog company which most of the majors are not. What's not to like ? Long live Amsoil !

 

[jongies3]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by ka9mnx
Really? Warren (just an example) will blend and put into any bottle an oil of your choice. And, if your nice to them, will allow your camera crew come in and film.


Show me your proof this isn't their production facility.

Here is more proof. at 4:47 their packaging lines showing the bottling side of the plant.


I'm not big on Amsoil but that was fascinating to watch! It would definitely be cool to go have a field day at a place like that and see it in person.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by madeej11
Stevie boy, it's very admirable you fighting tooth and nail for Amsoil. Far as I'm concerned they blend some of the best oils available anywhere in the world. Some of these guys you're jousting with can't be swayed. Comes a point where it's just a waste of breath and time. Good solid American underdog company which most of the majors are not. What's not to like ? Long live Amsoil !


As I stated before I couldn't give a darn what people run but I can't stand the nonsense and hearsay about their quality and being shady without proof to back it up simply because they market on word of mouth using an MLM system which apparently is worse than communism here. It just takes away from factual information on this board is all.

My first post back to the Op I stated both were fine oils by what we could see and from users here using it along with the UOA's on Amsoil here and with my own personal experiences as well. Because the OP was interested in these 2 brands.

Then the folks showed up to start with the usual MLM boogie men, non-licensed (even though they do have a line of licensed oils) and then it was one member talking about his experiences and that he knows and to trust him. So I asked for proof and that hasn't happened yet.

It's the same as it has always been for over a decade here when it comes to Amsoil yet they have continued to grow on word of mouth alone and are still around. I will fully admit they are the shady terrible snake oil company some make them out to be but show me actual proof of this. Fact is this doesn't exist. Even when folks here have seen the UOA's in varying engines and the lube is still providing the same and if not better results on UOA's with the things we can see/measure on them.

I have also told other folks on here to use a quality off the shelf oil when they weren't looking for something like Amsoil because the pricing is better in the U.S., unless extended OCI's is their goal because that is where Amsoil shines. In Canada it's a different story because the oil on the shelf isn't as economical as downsouth. But again it's only because the OP asked about these two oils I responded.

So again just so I'm perfectly clear. I COULD CARE LESS WHAT PEOPLE RUN IN THEIR ENGINES / TRANSMISSIONS. But I can't stand for nonsense and false claims.

I'd do the same with any other brand I had as much experience with and contrary to belief I'm not a dealer, I only have a preferred customer membership. Been accused of that before too and so I thought I would make it clear I have no vested interest. The Amsoil sponsors on here can verify this.

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Even when folks here have seen the UOA's in varying engines and the lube is still providing the same and if not better results on UOA's with the things we can see/measure on them.
Man I wish there were hundreds of UOA's with Amsoil and other oils to compare to see the real results of iron wear on average.... Oh, wait, there is data on that:
(Note Amsoil does just fine on iron wear.)


https://www.blackstone-labs.com/Newsletters/Gas-Diesel/July-1-2017.php

 

[StevieC]

Amsoil has you on their marketing team don't they, you must be a dealer, you have drank the koolaid....

Thanks for that information but I don't think it will make any difference with those heck-bent on slandering Amsoil's name for the reasons I posted above. It is nice to see visually though all those oils summarized like that.

 

[RazorsEdge]

I've used both,no problems with either oil choice.

Pick one and get on with life!

 

[RDY4WAR]

I'm just shocked we made it to page 4 without it turning into a thick vs thin thread.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
I'm just shocked we made it to page 4 without it turning into a thick vs thin thread.


Some folks in this thread are already "Thick" enough and "Thin" on proof so there is no need. J/K of course everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how baseless it might be.

 

[JAG]

Amsoil is my favorite oil blender because they make such excellent products with a wide variety, in my opinion.

 

[RDY4WAR]

Only one of my vehicles doesn't use Amsoil currently. That's only because it's a 27 year old, sludged up engine with 483k miles. I don't want to waste expensive oil on short intervals to clean it out. After a few short intervals of PYB, it'll probably be getting Amsoil XL 10w-40.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Shannow
There's a difference between DOING the tests, and claiming that they meet or exceed the tests.

For e.g. take oil A that meets Sequence IVA (wear test)...do a 4 ball on it, then on amsoil, bingo, Amsoil meets or exceeds...without the expensive test.

We don't know if that's what they do (they won't tell us anything other than trust us)...we don't know that's not what they don't do.

The "nothing blew up tests", or "the pile of failed engines" don't demonstrate for a second that they meet the industry tests that they claim.



https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-prod...rcent-synthetic-motor-oil/?code=ASMQT-EA

There is quite a bit of testing data along with test results and TDS information here.


Dave,
here's the thread where I was trying to get, and was promised the tests that Amsoil did to satisfy themselves that their oils met the 93K214, including reference to that fact that their data sheet for ACD at the time listed HTHS 3.4 and A3/B4...inconsistencies.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3873434/1

You can see that the thread included the usual strawmen..."you are claiming that Amsoil does no testing"...promises to provide, then nothing.

I note from looking NOW, as opposed to then, that they include 93K222, and state that the testing has been carried out in accordance with that specification.

The inclusion of these statements is newer than 2014...maybe the questions that I didn't get answered in 2014 have been addressed...

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Shannow
There's a difference between DOING the tests, and claiming that they meet or exceed the tests.

For e.g. take oil A that meets Sequence IVA (wear test)...do a 4 ball on it, then on amsoil, bingo, Amsoil meets or exceeds...without the expensive test.

We don't know if that's what they do (they won't tell us anything other than trust us)...we don't know that's not what they don't do.

The "nothing blew up tests", or "the pile of failed engines" don't demonstrate for a second that they meet the industry tests that they claim.



https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-prod...rcent-synthetic-motor-oil/?code=ASMQT-EA

There is quite a bit of testing data along with test results and TDS information here.


Dave,
here's the thread where I was trying to get, and was promised the tests that Amsoil did to satisfy themselves that their oils met the 93K214, including reference to that fact that their data sheet for ACD at the time listed HTHS 3.4 and A3/B4...inconsistencies.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3873434/1

You can see that the thread included the usual strawmen..."you are claiming that Amsoil does no testing"...promises to provide, then nothing.

I note from looking NOW, as opposed to then, that they include 93K222, and state that the testing has been carried out in accordance with that specification.

The inclusion of these statements is newer than 2014...maybe the questions that I didn't get answered in 2014 have been addressed...


No worries mate. At least Amsoil is publishing information in detail. I would not hesitate using any Amsoil formulation for my OEM recommended OCI.