Saturn vs other Compacts

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Originally posted by Bill in Utah:

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Originally posted by Michael Wan:
Labman,
Still factory ATF, and air filters on there?
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MW


GM does not recommend changing the manual transmission fluid and the air filter still looked good last time I checked it. Don't see many dirt roads. I have always stuck to the factory schedules and never had much trouble keeping a domestic 10 years and over 150 K. If I had a Honda, I would be due a timing belt change.


I just changed the Transmisson oil in my Corolla with 23k on it and IT WAS UGLY!
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Toyota says at 100k change it. It had so much metal in the oil that a magnet held on the side of a clear bottle you could see the movement of the metal in the oil.
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And the car is 10 months old and spends 90% of it's life on the freeway in 5th gear..
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(never been on a dirt road either)

With my 2000 Silverado 5 speed transmission it came out @ 24k miles and was a little cleaner, but needed to be changed.

I'd change it if I was you. Cheap insurance IMO..

Take care, Bill
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Maybe I need to think this over some more. The fine 5 speed that held up to 180k with the HO quad 4 was made in Muncie. The much less friendly one in the Cavalier is a Getrag.
 
There's another (now out of production) GM 2.2L out there which is the one I think you're referring to.


Yeah, it was the older 2.2, the one that had the filter in the same place as the J-car 2.0 (near the passenger side tire).
 
Out of all your choices the Corolla is by far the easiest to do routine maintenance on, if you do your own work this is a huge factor. Besides, 30,000,000 owners can't be wrong!
 
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Originally posted by H2GURU:
Out of all your choices the Corolla is by far the easiest to do routine maintenance on, if you do your own work this is a huge factor. Besides, 30,000,000 owners can't be wrong!

Don't see how an oil change could be easier than on my Ecotec with the cartridge filter up top. I will never have to do a timing belt. Haven't done anything else in 60K
 
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Don't see how an oil change could be easier than on my Ecotec with the cartridge filter up top. I will never have to do a timing belt. Haven't done anything else in 60K

I'm jealous!
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Originally posted by ToyotaNSaturn:
I've gotten the Saturn S-series oil change experience down to 40 minutes. That includes removal of the right-front tire.

You'll need these things next to you as you "assume the position" at the right side of the vehicle:
--Hydrualic jack
--Y-jack stand just for added safety
--needle nose pliers to pull the splash shield off
--oil change wrench
--several paper towels so the oil filter doesn't leak on the CV joints
--a can of brake clean
--tire iron
--14mm socket to remove the drain plug
--and of course, the oil & filter
--Nice weather, and a radio with your favorite station tuned-in!
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First, why would you need a tire Iron and a can of brake cleaner.
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I've never seemed to need it when I did it.

MW
 
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Tire iron to remove the front wheel.

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Sloppy usage. There was a time when people used tire irons to remove tires from the rim. They were a long strip of steel with rounded ends to prevent damaging the tube. You remove wheels from the car by using a lug wrench on the nuts.
 
Brake cleaner to clean off what drips from the oil filter onto the subframe.

Tire iron to remove the front wheel.

Sometimes I think it's worth just spending the $20 to let someone else change it, as long as I hand them the oil and filter.
 
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Tire iron to remove the front wheel.

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Sloppy usage. There was a time when people used tire irons to remove tires from the rim. They were a long strip of steel with rounded ends to prevent damaging the tube. You remove wheels from the car by using a lug wrench on the nuts.


I was having visions of Og the caveman beating on his front wheel with a tire iron until the wheel fell off.
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Originally posted by labman:

Take care, Bill
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Maybe I need to think this over some more. The fine 5 speed that held up to 180k with the HO quad 4 was made in Muncie. The much less friendly one in the Cavalier is a Getrag. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I have changed the ATF in my manual Getrag tranny in my 2002 Cavalier and it was pretty easy. I replaced with Amsoil Universal ATF. Holds 1.8 quarts. Mine came out looking pretty good. The manual tranny fluid in my 2001 Dodge was another story though. Had some shavings on the magnet and looked like it needed to be changed.
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