Saturday morning messing about/mythbusting

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Family was out this morning, and there's only a couple more weeks of mowing (if that, we've had some frosts so far, but it's the warmest May on record)...so I decided to test some of the stuff that's been here the last few weeks.

First was the weedwhacker. My 15 year old homelite 2 stroke has become unserviceable, so I mixed up some 25:1 the old fashioned way with SAE30, stole parts off the new one, and did the edging.

It didn't start as well as usual, and blew huge clouds of stinky smoke until the machine was running at full heat.

Conclusions
* Two stroke oil is definitely part of the combustion process, it wasn't burning until the unit was well up to temp, then was mostly consumed.
* Proper two stroke oil is way better regarding smoke during the warm-up.
* SAE30 is a stinky mess as a two stroke oil.
* I'm going to steal the parts of my new machine to keep the old one running...old one doesn't have a clutch, is lighter, and more usable.



Second was the mower proper...it was an age since I changed the plug, so I bought a new one, and cut the side electrode off the old one.

Starting was incredibly difficult, but happened. When it started to run, it was very hit/miss, like a hit and miss stationary engine, but accelerated slowly.

Eventually it gave two very sharp "knocks" and went to full noise, and ran perfectly after that.

Changed yards, and the hot start was very similar to the cold.

Pulled the plug, and the centre electrode had a clear rim, with the previous carbon deposits indicating that it was firing from the sharp edge (to be expected), but fairly evenly around the electode (was a surprise, I was expecting a more defined ignition point).

Which made me look in the plug hole, and I worked out what I think caused the behaviours demonstrated.

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It looks like the spark found the least path of resistance to Earth was onto the piston crown....which means that the path has to have included either passage through the oil film on the bearings (very bad), or through the oil film/piston ring interface (probably nearly as bad).

Conclusion
* Mower will start and run with no side electrode, and apparently be just as powerful and stall prone;
* Mower won't run like this for very long, as the current passage through lubricated clearances is (will be) very detrimental.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
It's Saturday in Australia, they are almost 1 day ahead of us.


It's also approaching winter there, while I'm baking in 94-99 degree F weather for the next several months.
 
LOL, yes, it's Saturday (now evening), and we are approaching winter, and have had our first few frosts.

As to baking at 94-99F...that's not baking
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
LOL, yes, it's Saturday (now evening), and we are approaching winter, and have had our first few frosts.

As to baking at 94-99F...that's not baking


Correct - baking is not the proper term. When I lived in the high desert of California and the summer temps hit 110 plus, that was baking, but here in the Sunshine state "steaming like a Turkish bath" would be a better fit.

For some reason, I never thought of "frost" in the land down under. After watching "Mad Max," "The Road Warrior," and "Two Hands," I assumed the entire country was like Southern California.
 
When I was a kid, we lived in Adelaide, which had wicked humidity, and weeks above 105F.

Where I am now, we go from 12 F to nearaly 110F, but humidity is very low in summer months (can see the power station plumes disappear and re-appear in the humidity bands from 20km away some days.)

Last October, the place was on fire...the one before, the town was isolated by snow.
 
4-cycle oil is not meant to be used this way, you'll build up deposits and stick the rings in short order. Stick with proper 2-cycle oil. If you can keep it running long enough to get up to temp, you may be able to clean up the combustion pathway using water mist.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
LOL, yes, it's Saturday (now evening), and we are approaching winter, and have had our first few frosts.

As to baking at 94-99F...that's not baking


100% humididty in south Florida. I've spent a few days hiking in the Arizona desert (118 degrees F)

I did have to drink more water in the desert, but I would absolutely prefer to hike in the Arizona desert for three days than the Florida Everglades for three days. If you have never felt the heat and 100% humidity, it is unreal.
 
Originally Posted By: crainholio
4-cycle oil is not meant to be used this way, you'll build up deposits and stick the rings in short order. Stick with proper 2-cycle oil. If you can keep it running long enough to get up to temp, you may be able to clean up the combustion pathway using water mist.


All good, it was just a test run to see what the old days "use SAE 30" looked like, and confirm to myself that the oil IS a part of the combustion process...I only made a half cup of brew for science. On a machine that WAS being retired, but will now be resurrected with parts from the new machine
 
Today, after the discussion on Streibeck curve, and how if you assume that the designer placed the engine on the curve around 0.4 or 1 or thereabouts, I decided to run 5W-20 in the Briggs this morning...fact is it's winter (a warm one), so I didn't feel grossly uncomfortable with the choice...and the streibeck would be 0.35, or 0.8, or another number, so it must be good.

(Solves another problem too, as now I can't be accused of never having run a 20 anymore)

Initially I was surprised that with the lower viscosity oil, the Governor was still able to control the Quantum, I was expecting with the massive free HP that the 20 provided that the governor would be unable to compensate.

Mower seemed to rattle more when it was warm, but didn't blow up, proving that 20 is good for a Briggs.

Same 5W-20 in the freezer (-25C) sitting next to a store brand 0W-40 A3/B4 has me thinking that store brand 0W-40, 30% lower cost than the synthetic 5W-20 may be my future mower grade.
 
30w was used at 16:1 in early 2 strokes. The engines had bushings,not ball or needle bearings. Use a proper mix oil, its ashless.
 
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100% humididty in south Florida.


Just pickin' a nit here...

If it's 95 deg F outside, the relative humidity is not at 100%, even if it does feel like it. It's just not possible in the atmosphere. For the relative humidity to be 100%, the dewpoint and the temperature have to be equal. The highest recorded dewpoint in the United States is 88 deg F. Most dewpoints, even in steamy Florida, hover in the mid-70s (which is quite steamy indeed!).

This chart at Weather Underground shows the relationship between dewpoint and temperature.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/record-dew-point-temperatures

If it's 95 deg F outside, and the dewpoint is a steamy 75 deg F, the heat index is 108 deg F, and the relative humidity is on the order of 60%, plus or minus.
 
Bravo Hokiefyd, good work.

Messing about with these for working out how cooling towers "feel"...I can guarantee you that 40C and 100% humidity is instant saturation of all clothing (you are colder than the ambient, and it wets you before you even get a chance to sweat.
 
Sunday morning, 5C, and the mowing season should have been done a month ago.

5W-20 in the Quantum...second day mowing, and it hasn't blown up...big cloud on start-up 'though.

SAE30 two stroke oil has now totalled a half pint of premix, and smoking has died way down...plug is a nice chocolate brown.
 
The Seagull outboard was 10:1 with SAE30, and bronze bushes - stinky and smokey for sure. No one notices out on the water.
 
My BSA Bantam that I had as a 16 year old apprentice took SAE30 - there was an oil measure in the filler cap, and at the pumps you took a guess at how much fuel was left in the tank, and then tried to figure out how much oil to put in. Oil on tap at the pumps, just put your filler cap under the tap up to the appropriate level, pour it in, put the cap on and give it a shake, then hit the road.
 
Oh, how I loath two cycles. Had a two cycle weed wacker years ago. When you got done using that, you could just feel and smell the oil on you. The four cycle weed wacker was one of my better investments.
 
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