Sand in engine oil, advice please

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The time came for an oil change on the Grand Marquis, and I promised I would provide Liqui-Moly with a sample for analysis to see how a low SAPS oil performs with high sulfur gasoline.

I used a hand pump to fill two small containers before I dumped in the engine flush, and changed the oil. This particular sample (with MoS2) was taken after it was in service for 6,370 miles over the course of the past four months. After leaving my sample on the shelf, I noticed the bottom of the bottle I used was darker than usual. So I checked it out, only to find this:

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I checked samples from my Montero, which has been sitting for months, and there is no sand in any of them.

Worth mentioning, 5,000 miles into this interval I repaired my warped air box. This is a common problem on Panther vehicles, where the center of the air filter box warps and gets wider. So I used two thread bars to 'squeeze' it back together, after reading about how forddiesel69 (also a member here) did this on his Crown Vic. The filter basically wasn't sitting properly, which must have resulted in quite a bit of unfiltered air passing through. Maybe this is why there is so much sand in this sample?

I replace my air filter at every oil change (6,250 miles) using a Motorcraft FA-1032 and always use a Motorcraft FL-820S oil filter. I just don't know what else I can do to keep this dreaded sand from getting into my engine! It makes me cringe thinking what must be going on inside my engine if this is the amount of sand that came out of a 200 ml sample.

Whilst I think it may well be a good idea to see what the oil turns out at the next interval, I don't want to be in for a surprise. Does anyone happen to have any ideas or suggestions as to what can be done to prevent this? Thanks!
 
Yes sir, move to Wisconsin USA. We don't have any sand.
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I bet your air box fix will solve the problem, but I might do one more short oil change just to be sure. If that bottle looks like that, wonder what the bottom of your oil pan looks like?
 
Use a good paper filter not an oiled gauze type like k&n or the like.Make sure the inlet passages are tightly sealed,but in Kuwait (or anywhere in your part of the world) the sand is so fine and powder-like in just gets into everything,we found.
 
I have to wonder what the oil pump housing looks like,pre oil filter,sand scores parts up but good.I honestly don't know how much abuse the pump can take before having issues,maybe a pressure test would give you some information.

I have no idea about the air box issue but if there is a problem with them i think i would look into a cold air kit that used a cone style K&N filter.
I know K&N is mostly hated here at BITOG but i think it might be perfect in your environment and for large particles like sand,there is not way air can leak around filter.
Just a thought!

Edit: i just saw FL Robs post.He seems to know what the sand is like in your area,i guess i was thinking about the course stuff found here.I would research it a little anyway.
Maybe there is a cone style filter to replace the box that deforms that is not oiled gauze like Amsoils filters.
 
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Originally Posted By: Trav
I have to wonder what the oil pump housing looks like,pre oil filter,sand scores parts up but good.I honestly don't know how much abuse the pump can take before having issues,maybe a pressure test would give you some information.

I have no idea about the air box issue but if there is a problem with them i think i would look into a cold air kit that used a cone style K&N filter.
I know K&N is mostly hated here at BITOG but i think it might be perfect in your environment and for large particles like sand,there is not way air can leak around filter.
Just a thought!

Edit: i just saw FL Robs post.He seems to know what the sand is like in your area,i guess i was thinking about the course stuff found here.I would research it a little anyway.
Maybe there is a cone style filter to replace the box that deforms that is not oiled gauze like Amsoils filters.

Could get a MAF adapter that bolts to the MAF and converts it to a round opening and install an EaaU.
Another option is to get an airbox from a later Civi Panther at a junk yard. The airbox was redesigned for 03+ to be more secure.
 
Is that really "sand" in the bottom? I mean it looks like it, but are you sure it's not something else in the bottle?

Also, not sure why Amsoil was brought up, but Amsoil EAA air filters are not oiled, nor are they gauze.
 
Kuwait and warped airbox. I can see a problem.

Might be a good idea to seal the filter seal even better with something like tape or a sealant.
 
I find it hard to believe that you have sand in there. Unless I'm thinking it wrong, the sand would have to come in, through the combustion chamber, past the rings in order to get to the sump. That is a long path with very small tolerances. To have that much sand in the oil would mean you either have a ton of it going up and down in the cylinder, or your engine is shot, or your engine is now made of glass...

You sure it is t additive agglomeration/dropout? High sulfur, if TBN is depleted, could change the acidity characteristics of suspended adds and cause them to drop out... Kind of like what happens in high silicate anti freeze...
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Sorry Pablo i meant like Amsoil that is not oiled.I use EAA filters in everthing.
Bad English,it happens sometimes,sorry.


Hey no problem.

If that IS sand - wow that's major scary!! I mean to settle out of that small amount of oil?? Yikes.
 
Your right the more i think about this the more it would seem to be some sort of breather leak,may in the PCV system,oil filler cap seal?
If this is really sand and it came in through the intake there would be major damage.Even if it got ingested through some other means the pump had to take a hit i suspect.
 
That can't be sand. You'd be having huge problems by now.

Did you try feeling it between your fingers? If I didn't know any better I'd almost say it looks like water emulsion.

Was the plastic bottle dry before you put the oil sample in it?
 
could be entering through crankcase ventilation, rather than blow-by. if it was blowby, your car wouldn't start. I've seen poor air filtration destroy dirt bike engines in very, very short order.

I do wonder if this got sucked in, then sat in the sump. I'd test oil pressure but if it's healthy, search for air leaks and then not worry too hard.

Sounds like there's no real danger (yet) as the car doesn't exhibit other problems.

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I would also considering wrapping the seams of the air-box with duct tape, or wide electrical tape, something that is heat resistant. See how that holds up with the underhood temps. You want every seam, seal, and connection going into the throttle body air tight.
 
Originally Posted By: maersk
That can't be sand. You'd be having huge problems by now.





Not to mention the fact that sand entrained in the air system is on the WRONG SIDE of the piston...kind of hard to get it (in a grain-of-sand form) into the crankcase.

I would wonder if that isn't an additive or some sort of chemical separation of the oil...or water.
 
If it is really sand and it really came from the oil and not dropped into the filter after remocal, then I suspect it got in through the PCV system.
 
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