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Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Originally Posted By: USA1
Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I'm starting to suspect that all the anti-Toyota vitriol may have galvanized their fan base.


0% for 60 months is the best thing they could have done. Free loans usually get people's attention.


+1 That's the only reasson they sold anything.


This USA1 guy has done nothing but bash Toyotas and other makes constantly on this site. Listen guy, Facts don't lie. There are many Toyota drivers out there who really think that you should keep your opinions to yourself. Toyota built there reputation on quality whether you like it or not. Please in future, if you want to make a contribution to a post or discussion, please make it an informed and intelligent contribution. Jeez, and I thought people were more intelligent today then before with the freedom of information all over the place.
Yeah, he does not contribute to the forum and is obviously a gimmick account. Vote for ban.
 
I don't see any reason to believe USA1 is a gimmick account. Who would benefit by his posts, let alone enough to go to the trouble of making them and risking making the problem worse?

Let him speak his piece. There are more people who think like him than you might know (or want to admit).
 
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88


This USA1 guy has done nothing but bash Toyotas and other makes constantly on this site. Listen guy, Facts don't lie. There are many Toyota drivers out there who really think that you should keep your opinions to yourself. Toyota built there reputation on quality whether you like it or not. Please in future, if you want to make a contribution to a post or discussion, please make it an informed and intelligent contribution. Jeez, and I thought people were more intelligent today then before with the freedom of information all over the place.



USA1 makes much more informed posts than someone like rszappa. Is it just those who support domestic manufacturers that you would like to stifle, or would that extend to blind foreign supporters like rszappa as well?

IMO, people should buy what they want....but that doesnt mean I should be censored from expressing my views in support of the domestic manufacturers. I support Ford and GM, but that doesnt mean I expect the entire world to do the same, to each his own.
 
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Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Originally Posted By: USA1
Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I'm starting to suspect that all the anti-Toyota vitriol may have galvanized their fan base.


0% for 60 months is the best thing they could have done. Free loans usually get people's attention.


+1 That's the only reasson they sold anything.


This USA1 guy has done nothing but bash Toyotas and other makes constantly on this site. Listen guy, Facts don't lie. There are many Toyota drivers out there who really think that you should keep your opinions to yourself. Toyota built there reputation on quality whether you like it or not. Please in future, if you want to make a contribution to a post or discussion, please make it an informed and intelligent contribution. Jeez, and I thought people were more intelligent today then before with the freedom of information all over the place.



Same goes for Domestic bashers...which there are many more on here.
 
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Yea, all the 'bashing' is child-like. Im not a basher of anyone. I have had some [censored] good Ford and Chevy vehicles in my years. I have had a couple Toyotas now and they are [censored] good as well. To each his own.

But i will say that some people(like myself) are rather upset that we have to pay for GM and Chryslers years of bad decisions. Every Chrysler ive had(3) was junk, but that doesnt mean im going to spout off about it in every thread like some 3 year old who hasnt had his nap today. Grow up guys.
 
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Originally Posted By: USA1
Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
d00df00d said:
I'm starting to suspect that all the anti-Toyota vitriol may have galvanized their fan base.


0% for 60 months is the best thing they could have done. Free loans usually get people's attention.


This USA1 guy has done nothing but bash Toyotas and other makes constantly on this site. Listen guy, Facts don't lie. There are many Toyota drivers out there who really think that you should keep your opinions to yourself. Toyota built there reputation on quality whether you like it or not. Please in future, if you want to make a contribution to a post or discussion, please make it an informed and intelligent contribution. Jeez, and I thought people were more intelligent today then before with the freedom of information all over the place.
Yeah, he does not contribute to the forum and is obviously a gimmick account. Vote for ban.


Be assured, I am no gimmick account. The amount of Dosmestics bashing is constant, and not everyone (to include myself) will allow unfair comments to go without response; perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil? GM, Ford, and Chrysler make some excellent vehicles, yet the skewing of reality concerning them is completely UNFOUNDED. Yes, GM and Chrysler did take a bailout that was offered to them. Why? So the economy can be rekindled. Cash for clunkers happened why? Same reason. Foreign makes should have been excluded, but were not, in order to be fair. Guess what happened in Japan? Foreign vehicles WERE excluded in their program. This information is crucial to obtain a clear picture of reality. I seriously doubt Toyota would have acheived the sales figures they did last month by offering the incentives they did. Kudos to those that FINALLY got a deal on a Toyota, as it is indeed a rare thing. In response, GM, Ford, Chrysler and even Hyundai offered incentives to Toyota owners that wanted to get out of one! "Looks like Toyota wasn't hurt by the "Media Blitz"" Really? I guess all the dead US citizens and the fine that is going to be recommended to punish Toyota is all media fluff? Some of you can really dish it, but when it comes time to take it, you whine and pout like a two year old. That makes me sad.
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USA1 perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil? [/quote said:
But i have seen threads were no one even mentioned a domestic and you have talked [censored]. While i do agree that they make some fine vehicles all of them. Everyone does. At the same time they all make [censored] at times. And each individual experience one may have with a perticular brand will dictate in that persons mind what they believe to be good. As ive said before, to each his own...

I wouldnt have been upset if it would have been one or 2 bad calls that GM had that led to its problems, but with so many reasons they screwed up, its hard to digest why we bailed them out.
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Originally Posted By: USA1
perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil?

No. That would be self-censorship, which avails nothing.

You know what would be more civil? Not fighting brown shirts with brown shirt tactics. It's all well and good to stand up against untruth, but the instant you stoop to the level of the people you are accusing, it just becomes a cage match and the people looking on can't tell who's who.

In other words, I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, but you might want to modify your signature and change your tone a bit if you expect people to take you more seriously than they take your opponents.


Originally Posted By: USA1
Guess what happened in Japan? Foreign vehicles WERE excluded in their program. This information is crucial to obtain a clear picture of reality.

What reality? That we are treating the market better than Japan is? Isn't that a good thing? Wouldn't be the first time someone got shot in the foot for doing the right thing, and it won't be the last. That doesn't change what's right.


Originally Posted By: USA1
I guess all the dead US citizens

How many? And how do you know every one of those deaths was Toyota's fault? Those aren't rhetorical questions, by the way. As far as I know, there have only been a few cases in which unintended acceleration was blamed, let alone proven to be a cause of the problem.


Originally Posted By: USA1
and the fine that is going to be recommended to punish Toyota is all media fluff?

No, it's not.

The media beating a very dead horse by putting these headlines front-and-center IS media fluff.
 
Originally Posted By: jetblacknismo
Originally Posted By: USA1 perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil?


But i have seen threads were no one even mentioned a domestic and you have talked [censored
. While i do agree that they make some fine vehicles all of them. Everyone does. At the same time they all make [censored] at times. And each individual experience one may have with a perticular brand will dictate in that persons mind what they believe to be good. As ive said before, to each his own...

I wouldnt have been upset if it would have been one or 2 bad calls that GM had that led to its problems, but with so many reasons they screwed up, its hard to digest why we bailed them out.


Most of reality is hard to digest, but it happened, and I am happy that it did.

"But i have seen threads were no one even mentioned a domestic and you have talked [censored]."

This I will not deny but keep these two things in mind:

Don't dish it unless you can take it and threads exist where a mention of less-than-stellar domestic quality (I'm being nice) is randomly tossed into a thread about something completely different.

"I wouldnt have been upset if it would have been one or 2 bad calls that GM had that led to its problems, but with so many reasons they screwed up, its hard to digest why we bailed them out."

...and there YOU go JETBLACKNISMO.
 
Originally Posted By: USA1
Originally Posted By: jetblacknismo
Originally Posted By: USA1 perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil?


But i have seen threads were no one even mentioned a domestic and you have talked [censored
. While i do agree that they make some fine vehicles all of them. Everyone does. At the same time they all make [censored] at times. And each individual experience one may have with a perticular brand will dictate in that persons mind what they believe to be good. As ive said before, to each his own...

I wouldnt have been upset if it would have been one or 2 bad calls that GM had that led to its problems, but with so many reasons they screwed up, its hard to digest why we bailed them out.


Most of reality is hard to digest, but it happened, and I am happy that it did.

"But i have seen threads were no one even mentioned a domestic and you have talked [censored]."

This I will not deny but keep these two things in mind:

Don't dish it unless you can take it and threads exist where a mention of less-than-stellar domestic quality (I'm being nice) is randomly tossed into a thread about something completely different.

"I wouldnt have been upset if it would have been one or 2 bad calls that GM had that led to its problems, but with so many reasons they screwed up, its hard to digest why we bailed them out."

...and there YOU go JETBLACKNISMO.





There i go what? Posting my opinion? Im not 'bashing' im speaking truth of what happened and my opinion that bad decisions shouldnt be rewarded. That we all should pay for it when they could have fixed it all themselves but chose not to? Thats what im upset about. Why should i pay for their screw ups?

You act like no car company has done wrong other than Toyota. Far from the truth.

I think they should slam Toyota for handling the fiasco like they did. They deserve it. Im not sticking up for them at all.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: USA1
perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil?

No. That would be self-censorship, which avails nothing.

You know what would be more civil? Not fighting brown shirts with brown shirt tactics. It's all well and good to stand up against untruth, but the instant you stoop to the level of the people you are accusing, it just becomes a cage match and the people looking on can't tell who's who.

In other words, I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, but you might want to modify your signature and change your tone a bit if you expect people to take you more seriously than they take your opponents.


Originally Posted By: USA1
Guess what happened in Japan? Foreign vehicles WERE excluded in their program. This information is crucial to obtain a clear picture of reality.

What reality? That we are treating the market better than Japan is? Isn't that a good thing? Wouldn't be the first time someone got shot in the foot for doing the right thing, and it won't be the last. That doesn't change what's right.


Originally Posted By: USA1
I guess all the dead US citizens

How many? And how do you know every one of those deaths was Toyota's fault? Those aren't rhetorical questions, by the way. As far as I know, there have only been a few cases in which unintended acceleration was blamed, let alone proven to be a cause of the problem.


Originally Posted By: USA1
and the fine that is going to be recommended to punish Toyota is all media fluff?

No, it's not.

The media beating a very dead horse by putting these headlines front-and-center IS media fluff.



I suppose the next case of UI will also be media fluff, especially when it concerns a death, I suppose? If Toyota doesn't even know what the problem is, how would you know? Wait, let's call up NASA and have our government figure it out. NOT! Fact is, it happened in TOYOTAS, and there have been enough reports to draw a logical conclusion The current death count is up to 52, since the year 2000:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/business/main6258603.shtml

Our cash for clunkers program was fair and a very good thing, thanks for stating the obvious, because it was intended to rekindle the economy! Did you miss my point that it was unfair how the Japanese government went about it?

Also, allow me to be completely crystal clear. If anyone decides to bash a Domestic, I will stand up against it, in my own way. If you think it's fascist, and decide to silence me with votes then I pity you, as you are more fascist than I in keeping your views available and mine silenced. I will stand up with greater defense, a lot more, than most of the members do. I am proud of my country and the current exciting, high quality and stylish automotive products offered. I will defend what I think is right and I will make points in a thread to back myself up, as well as express my own opinions, just like anyone else ought to.
 
Originally Posted By: jetblacknismo
Originally Posted By: USA1
Originally Posted By: jetblacknismo
Originally Posted By: USA1 perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil?


But i have seen threads were no one even mentioned a domestic and you have talked [censored
. While i do agree that they make some fine vehicles all of them. Everyone does. At the same time they all make [censored] at times. And each individual experience one may have with a perticular brand will dictate in that persons mind what they believe to be good. As ive said before, to each his own...

I wouldnt have been upset if it would have been one or 2 bad calls that GM had that led to its problems, but with so many reasons they screwed up, its hard to digest why we bailed them out.


Most of reality is hard to digest, but it happened, and I am happy that it did.

"But i have seen threads were no one even mentioned a domestic and you have talked [censored]."

This I will not deny but keep these two things in mind:

Don't dish it unless you can take it and threads exist where a mention of less-than-stellar domestic quality (I'm being nice) is randomly tossed into a thread about something completely different.

"I wouldnt have been upset if it would have been one or 2 bad calls that GM had that led to its problems, but with so many reasons they screwed up, its hard to digest why we bailed them out."

...and there YOU go JETBLACKNISMO.





There i go what? Posting my opinion? Im not 'bashing' im speaking truth of what happened and my opinion that bad decisions shouldnt be rewarded. That we all should pay for it when they could have fixed it all themselves but chose not to? Thats what im upset about. Why should i pay for their screw ups?

You act like no car company has done wrong other than Toyota. Far from the truth.

I think they should slam Toyota for handling the fiasco like they did. They deserve it. Im not sticking up for them at all.


No one has a choice about the bailouts. It happenED and it's not going to change, so get used to it; we had a democratic vote and the leadership was chosen.
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88


This USA1 guy has done nothing but bash Toyotas and other makes constantly on this site. Listen guy, Facts don't lie. There are many Toyota drivers out there who really think that you should keep your opinions to yourself. Toyota built there reputation on quality whether you like it or not. Please in future, if you want to make a contribution to a post or discussion, please make it an informed and intelligent contribution. Jeez, and I thought people were more intelligent today then before with the freedom of information all over the place.



USA1 makes much more informed posts than someone like rszappa. Is it just those who support domestic manufacturers that you would like to stifle, or would that extend to blind foreign supporters like rszappa as well?

IMO, people should buy what they want....but that doesnt mean I should be censored from expressing my views in support of the domestic manufacturers. I support Ford and GM, but that doesnt mean I expect the entire world to do the same, to each his own.


It's the same old thing, if you don't go with the flow they wanna ban you. Same people that hate SUV's, guns and other things.
 
Originally Posted By: USA1
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: USA1
perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil?

No. That would be self-censorship, which avails nothing.

You know what would be more civil? Not fighting brown shirts with brown shirt tactics. It's all well and good to stand up against untruth, but the instant you stoop to the level of the people you are accusing, it just becomes a cage match and the people looking on can't tell who's who.

In other words, I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, but you might want to modify your signature and change your tone a bit if you expect people to take you more seriously than they take your opponents.


Originally Posted By: USA1
Guess what happened in Japan? Foreign vehicles WERE excluded in their program. This information is crucial to obtain a clear picture of reality.

What reality? That we are treating the market better than Japan is? Isn't that a good thing? Wouldn't be the first time someone got shot in the foot for doing the right thing, and it won't be the last. That doesn't change what's right.


Originally Posted By: USA1
I guess all the dead US citizens

How many? And how do you know every one of those deaths was Toyota's fault? Those aren't rhetorical questions, by the way. As far as I know, there have only been a few cases in which unintended acceleration was blamed, let alone proven to be a cause of the problem.


Originally Posted By: USA1
and the fine that is going to be recommended to punish Toyota is all media fluff?

No, it's not.

The media beating a very dead horse by putting these headlines front-and-center IS media fluff.



I suppose the next case of UI will also be media fluff, especially when it concerns a death, I suppose? If Toyota doesn't even know what the problem is, how would you know? Wait, let's call up NASA and have our government figure it out. NOT! Fact is, it happened in TOYOTAS, and there have been enough reports to draw a logical conclusion The current death count is up to 52, since the year 2000:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/business/main6258603.shtml

Our cash for clunkers program was fair and a very good thing, thanks for stating the obvious, because it was intended to rekindle the economy! Did you miss my point that it was unfair how the Japanese government went about it?

Also, allow me to be completely crystal clear. If anyone decides to bash a Domestic, I will stand up against it, in my own way. If you think it's fascist, and decide to silence me with votes then I pity you, as you are more fascist than I in keeping your views available and mine silenced. I will stand up with greater defense, a lot more, than most of the members do. I am proud of my country and the current exciting, high quality and stylish automotive products offered. I will defend what I think is right and I will make points in a thread to back myself up, as well as express my own opinions, just like anyone else ought to.




I'm with you USA1 in defending Domestics and USA in general. I used to be "very vocal" around here as many may recall. I finally gave up -you can't make sense to some on this board. I do "rise up" from time to time, but mostly it's that I am no longer gonna dispute somebody I don't know via internet. I don't care who they are anyway. Remember - the pendulum always swings back. It has started to swing for domestics in that we are putting out great vehicles while foreign makers are starting to lose quality. Soon it will sink in to these people that Toyota and such are not the holy grail. It will take time, but will happen.
 
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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: USA1
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: USA1
perhaps keeping your thoughts to yourself and not provoking a response would be more civil?

No. That would be self-censorship, which avails nothing.

You know what would be more civil? Not fighting brown shirts with brown shirt tactics. It's all well and good to stand up against untruth, but the instant you stoop to the level of the people you are accusing, it just becomes a cage match and the people looking on can't tell who's who.

In other words, I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, but you might want to modify your signature and change your tone a bit if you expect people to take you more seriously than they take your opponents.


Originally Posted By: USA1
Guess what happened in Japan? Foreign vehicles WERE excluded in their program. This information is crucial to obtain a clear picture of reality.

What reality? That we are treating the market better than Japan is? Isn't that a good thing? Wouldn't be the first time someone got shot in the foot for doing the right thing, and it won't be the last. That doesn't change what's right.


Originally Posted By: USA1
I guess all the dead US citizens

How many? And how do you know every one of those deaths was Toyota's fault? Those aren't rhetorical questions, by the way. As far as I know, there have only been a few cases in which unintended acceleration was blamed, let alone proven to be a cause of the problem.


Originally Posted By: USA1
and the fine that is going to be recommended to punish Toyota is all media fluff?

No, it's not.

The media beating a very dead horse by putting these headlines front-and-center IS media fluff.



I suppose the next case of UI will also be media fluff, especially when it concerns a death, I suppose? If Toyota doesn't even know what the problem is, how would you know? Wait, let's call up NASA and have our government figure it out. NOT! Fact is, it happened in TOYOTAS, and there have been enough reports to draw a logical conclusion The current death count is up to 52, since the year 2000:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/business/main6258603.shtml

Our cash for clunkers program was fair and a very good thing, thanks for stating the obvious, because it was intended to rekindle the economy! Did you miss my point that it was unfair how the Japanese government went about it?

Also, allow me to be completely crystal clear. If anyone decides to bash a Domestic, I will stand up against it, in my own way. If you think it's fascist, and decide to silence me with votes then I pity you, as you are more fascist than I in keeping your views available and mine silenced. I will stand up with greater defense, a lot more, than most of the members do. I am proud of my country and the current exciting, high quality and stylish automotive products offered. I will defend what I think is right and I will make points in a thread to back myself up, as well as express my own opinions, just like anyone else ought to.




I'm with you USA1 in defending Domestics and USA in general. I used to be "very vocal" around here as many may recall. I finally gave up -you can't make sense to some on this board. I do "rise up" from time to time, but mostly it's that I am no longer gonna dispute somebody I don't know via internet. I don't care who they are anyway. Remember - the pendulum always swings back. It has started to swing for domestics in that we are putting out great vehicles while foreign makers are starting to lose quality. Soon it will sink in to these people that Toyota and such are not the holy grail. It will take time, but will happen.


I agree. Lets keep our fingers crossed.
 
Hey USA1. Other car companies have killed way more people than the ones relating to Toyota. And now with the bankruptcy they are off the hook. Think of the people that are now left standing with dead family members.

http://gmchryslervictims.com/chrysler-vi...ection-act.html

Make sure you click on the safty research link that is on that page.


So they have killed people like Toyota's issues have, AND get a free ride from bankruptcy AND are no longer liable for who they killed. Dont you think that is rather messed up?

Thats not bashing. Thats showing cold hard facts and asking tough questions. So yea, i really think they should hit Toyota HARD if history is anything to learn from...
 
I still say the average auto consumer is buying Toyota and Honda out of media programming. Toyota and Honda could, not saying they are or they aren't, sell inferior vehicles at a higher price because the consumers have been programmed to buy them. I bet you if any domestic or even say European brand had an UA problem they would've lost a lot more sells than Toyota did. It's programming, get with the program and buy a Toyota no matter what.
 
It's a free country, buy what you want.
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