SAE to Adopt Tesla Charger Standard

Maybe someone can educate a knuckle dragging ICE driver.

Is there a technical reason they can't have both charge options? Wouldn't they simply need 2 charge ports and an interlock so only one would connect at a time? I would think the high volt charger could easily be designed to handle the lower voltage as well, so your talking the cost of the plugs and the interlock?

Just so I am involved in the argument - I won't be owning a EV anytime soon because the ROI with cheap gas and no state rebate here is very negative. Anyone buying one here is doing it as a green status symbol. I prefer to remain grey man anyway. Not to mention our grid sucks so there is that small problem as well.
I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean both a NACS and a CCS receptacle? I'm sure it's possible and would be smart enough to switch between them when necessary. If you mean high voltage and low voltage with the same plug, yes they do that. Any conversion of power is done on board from that point, so plugging into a home outlet will charge on A/C current and fast chargers use D/C with the same power input receptacle. It doesn't require anything other than attaching the charger and everything else is handled on board.
 
I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean both a NACS and a CCS receptacle? I'm sure it's possible and would be smart enough to switch between them when necessary. If you mean high voltage and low voltage with the same plug, yes they do that. Any conversion of power is done on board from that point, so plugging into a home outlet will charge on A/C current and fast chargers use D/C with the same power input receptacle. It doesn't require anything other than attaching the charger and everything else is handled on board.
Yes I think that is what I mean. So in reality they could do 2 plugs with an interlock so only one works, then you wouldn't need any adapters, etc?

So I guess its just a peeing match it seems between brands?
 
Maybe someone can educate a knuckle dragging ICE driver.

Is there a technical reason they can't have both charge options? Wouldn't they simply need 2 charge ports and an interlock so only one would connect at a time? I would think the high volt charger could easily be designed to handle the lower voltage as well, so your talking the cost of the plugs and the interlock?

Just so I am involved in the argument - I won't be owning a EV anytime soon because the ROI with cheap gas and no state rebate here is very negative. Anyone buying one here is doing it as a green status symbol. I prefer to remain grey man anyway. Not to mention our grid sucks so there is that small problem as well.

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I don't think there is anyone that would say they wouldn't want faster public charging. What you'd find out using them though is you very rarely use public charging anyway. I'm sure your dad's point is that he doesn't even have to stop at the gas station. Yes I can go further in my other car and take a shorter stop to fill up, but I can't fuel it at home and the amount of times I've needed to use public charging I can count on 1 hand in 6 months. I have to get gas sometimes as many as 3 times a week only driving it. Of course all of this is dependent on how you need to use your vehicle. My wife chose the EV because it makes sense for her use. My car cost less money and for fuel is at least economical for something with performance aspirations, but as much as I drive an EV would make up for the cost and would likely have me using public charging 1 to 2 times a month. I'm considering a Model 3 Performance but at this time I don't think I'll buy an EV for my next car. That doesn't mean I don't like EVs, I love driving her car. I also like other vehicles and I don't really need or want two of the same car with different performance levels.

What I want out of a car seems to be a very much dying breed regardless of what is happening with EVs. I want something fun, fast, lightweight, practical with plenty of tech, and still fuel efficient. There aren't a lot of performance hatchbacks left and even less that don't have wings sticking off of them with boy racer effects I feel I'm too old to deal with giving off that image. I don't want a crossover or SUV with the power to move like that which has become popular. They sit higher off the ground than I want to be and just aren't as fun to hustle through corners along with still using more fuel. At least for me if I decide to stay in a car like this it limits me to another GTI or an Integra Type S and at least in the case of the GTI top trim level it's still $15k cheaper than a Model 3 Performance and that pays for a lot of fuel. Of course I could change my mind in a few years, but after living with it for awhile I just don't see charging as a limiting factor with an EV. If anything it's a benefit in daily use and not a detriment on long trips because of the Tesla network.

I suggest a Boxster or Cayman.
Power, handling, easy on gas, and no mall parking lots full of them.
 
Yes I think that is what I mean. So in reality they could do 2 plugs with an interlock so only one works, then you wouldn't need any adapters, etc?

So I guess its just a peeing match it seems between brands?
I don't see realistically how it would be a problem, but I think they've all decided it would just be a cleaner solution to use an adaptor instead of multiple charge door ports or huge panel doors. I can't be sure, but I think this all stems because car companies saw CCS as available and no one really wanted to take up Tesla at first on the invite of using the NACS plug. Tesla had no reason to switch because they already made the NACS plug and it existed in regular use well before any other current EV in production right now.
 
I suggest a Boxster or Cayman.
Power, handling, easy on gas, and no mall parking lots full of them.
I need a car that carries gear and 4 people on occasion, so as much as I love your suggestion, it's just not possible for me. I will say at least living in this area, I do rarely see another GTI. I did work with a guy that had a Golf R, but that's the only other Golf I saw on a regular basis.
 
I've never seen that. YT only?
There are different ways of advertising. Creating constant controversies is advertising. For decades it has been known that negative press does help brands, especially if brand is revolving around individual. That toy he calls cyber truck is advertising. That tunnel in Vegas designed to burn people en masse is advertising etc. etc.
 
There are different ways of advertising. Creating constant controversies is advertising. For decades it has been known that negative press does help brands, especially if brand is revolving around individual. That toy he calls cyber truck is advertising. That tunnel in Vegas designed to burn people en masse is advertising etc. etc.
Certainly. Musk and Co. have had no shortage of air time. He is one of the most recognizeable people in the world and Tesla cars are some of the most discussed. But we are talking about paid advertising like tv, magazines, billboards, etc.
My understanding is, Tesla just did it's 1st and the purpose was to get the affordibility out there. Not sure...

And yeah, the Cybertruk has what, 1.5M reservations? If and when they ever ramp it will take years to supply the existing demand much less new demand.
 
Certainly. Musk and Co. have had no shortage of air time. He is one of the most recognizeable people in the world and Tesla cars are some of the most discussed. But we are talking about paid advertising like tv, magazines, billboards, etc.
My understanding is, Tesla just did it's 1st and the purpose was to get the affordibility out there. Not sure...

And yeah, the Cybertruk has what, 1.5M reservations? If and when they ever ramp it will take years to supply the existing demand much less new demand.
Advertising is advertising. How you get there is different story. Many companies become successful bcs. different advertising or they were lucky bcs. Some events they got caught in.
Truck has reservations, and? Where is it? People buy dumb things all the time to prove something. That truck is prime example of advertising tactic.
 
It is too bad that Tesla won't have the manufacturing capacity to build at least a million Cybertrucks in the first year. Then we would see if the 1.5 million reservations would really be fulfilled without a lot of cancellations. But my guess is they will sell every one that they build as fast as they can build them.

Sure, people buy dumb things all the time to prove something. So what. If Tesla has cash coming in from selling dumb things I doubt anyone who owns TSLA shares will feel ashamed at the company having taken the customer's money.
 
It is too bad that Tesla won't have the manufacturing capacity to build at least a million Cybertrucks in the first year. Then we would see if the 1.5 million reservations would really be fulfilled without a lot of cancellations. But my guess is they will sell every one that they build as fast as they can build them.

Sure, people buy dumb things all the time to prove something. So what. If Tesla has cash coming in from selling dumb things I doubt anyone who owns TSLA shares will feel ashamed at the company having taken the customer's money.
Dunno... As a completely new vehicle, there will likely be issues. The drivetrain may be solid, but the rest will see growing pains.
Yes, the 1st year they will move quick. It also depends on pricing... So far, the Cybertruk is all speculation. Getting closer to release, but still speculation.

Regardless, GM, Ford and Ram better hope it ain't that good because they have a lot to lose. Even if the legacy companies just have to drop prices to keep market share, margins will suffer.
 
Dunno... As a completely new vehicle, there will likely be issues. The drivetrain may be solid, but the rest will see growing pains.
Yes, the 1st year they will move quick. It also depends on pricing... So far, the Cybertruk is all speculation. Getting closer to release, but still speculation.

Regardless, GM, Ford and Ram better hope it ain't that good because they have a lot to lose. Even if the legacy companies just have to drop prices to keep market share, margins will suffer.
From info leaking out Engineers at Tesla are more or less saying the Cybertruck is still a dumpster fire at this point no sure how much has been rectified. The suspension was designed at a very high angle making for a large stress point that engineers have pointed out many times. Tesla thinks they'll get 375,000 a year out the door. Only time will tell.
 
From info leaking out Engineers at Tesla are more or less saying the Cybertruck is still a dumpster fire at this point no sure how much has been rectified. The suspension was designed at a very high angle making for a large stress point that engineers have pointed out many times. Tesla thinks they'll get 375,000 a year out the door. Only time will tell.
I’ll laugh when this either doesn’t come out or is nothing like the concept. I like the brand but I’ve said from the beginning that there’s no way this truck can be made in this form. At bare minimum the exoskeleton design won’t pass crash standards. It’ll either be a unibody or body on frame if it ever gets sold to anyone. It’s a design exercise like many manufacturers that have done that never made it to market, except they took money right off the bat saying you’ll be able to get one.
 
I don't see realistically how it would be a problem, but I think they've all decided it would just be a cleaner solution to use an adaptor instead of multiple charge door ports or huge panel doors. I can't be sure, but I think this all stems because car companies saw CCS as available and no one really wanted to take up Tesla at first on the invite of using the NACS plug. Tesla had no reason to switch because they already made the NACS plug and it existed in regular use well before any other current EV in production right now.
It’s looking like the Tesla plug will become the North American standard in short order. I think this could be a bit messy for a few years, with adapters, but will be standardized before too long once everyone switches
 
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