https://insideevs.com/news/674092/sae-standardize-tesla-nacs-charging-connector/
Read the comments - some good points
Read the comments - some good points
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SAE to Adopt Tesla Charger Standard
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I've said this before, but that needed to happen.
Unlike gas stations of long ago, oil companies are not going to subsidize charging stations. The cost will be either manufacturers (unlikely,except for Tesla) or the Gov't (you and me).
Power companies won't be installing them either.
Adapters aren't a great idea either due to added weight and complexity.
Unlike gas stations of long ago, oil companies are not going to subsidize charging stations. The cost will be either manufacturers (unlikely,except for Tesla) or the Gov't (you and me).
Power companies won't be installing them either.
Adapters aren't a great idea either due to added weight and complexity.
Volvo announced yesterday that they will also be adopting the NACS connectors for their EV's that will be sold in this market.
Smart of them to get with the program now. It's just a matter of time now for all of the EV makers to make similar announcements.
Smart of them to get with the program now. It's just a matter of time now for all of the EV makers to make similar announcements.
This deal is done.
The avalanche has begun and the pebbles dont get to vote.
VW is the question - they are left quite out in the cold here as are their clients.
So all the bourgie coal burners are getting the same plug? Makes total sense. 
https://jalopnik.com/itll-cost-the-u-s-hundreds-of-billions-to-reach-its-20-1850589955
Seems that Toyoota has the right idea pushing Hybrids for since charging infrastructure is so lacking. Using Tesla's chargers, while a good idea, is only a stopgap measure at best.
Seems that Toyoota has the right idea pushing Hybrids for since charging infrastructure is so lacking. Using Tesla's chargers, while a good idea, is only a stopgap measure at best.
Wow everyone just jumped on board with the evil empire due to their size. Porsche and others showed how the 800v three-phase charging is vastly quicker than anything Tesla has. Now everyone gives in "just because " on an inferior charging standard. Thiscis the equivalent of sticking with carburetors because "the technology is proven". Fuel injection and direct injection have shown huge advantages over carburetors. This is just disgusting that ither manufacturers have given in.
Porsche only showed gains on paper. 400V cars dominate long distance trips.
800 V is a yank - the next step will be 1K.
You can always get a lucid.
Polestar EVs get Tesla charge port in 2025, Supercharger access in 2024
https://www.greencarreports.com/new...arge-port-in-2025-supercharger-access-in-2024
https://www.greencarreports.com/new...arge-port-in-2025-supercharger-access-in-2024
Actually Car and Driver saw real world charging results back in 2020. Not sure why you say "on paper ". It's been proven repeatedly. Read the article
Porsche charges faster than Teslas
Robb Report showed the taycan charges an hour faster. The only way an electric vehicle is comparable to gas is if it can fully charge from almost empty to full in 5 minutes if not it's not as good.
The gold standard of EV trip time testing is done by Bjorn Nyland.
The top ten 1K trip times are dominated by 400V cars with only one Porsche model in the top ten.
One magazine test 3 years ago does not a current and comprehensive comparison make.
No offense to anyone, but comparing EV charging to ICE fueling is apples to oranges. If I could not charge at home, I would not own an EV. Having said that, ICE takes far longer to fuel up, as you have to go somewhere to buy gas. I just pull in the garage and plug in. There is nothing like starting every day with a full tank.
The only time I need a charger is while driving in excess of 200 miles. And I rarely do that. I do take a 190+ day trip about twice a month to our home in Petaluma, 90 miles away. Start with a full charge and off I go! Nuthin' to it. If I did have to charge, 10 minutes (and $9) is more than enough.
EVs are not for everyone, but many of the beliefs are based in little or zero experience.
The only time I need a charger is while driving in excess of 200 miles. And I rarely do that. I do take a 190+ day trip about twice a month to our home in Petaluma, 90 miles away. Start with a full charge and off I go! Nuthin' to it. If I did have to charge, 10 minutes (and $9) is more than enough.
EVs are not for everyone, but many of the beliefs are based in little or zero experience.
I’m hearing that V3 superchargers may have the ability to do 800v or higher if they unlock that capability. V4 will apparently be higher.
I’m not a Tesla fan specifically but they have shown they can expand out their charging network at warp speed compared to any other network and I suspect they’ll continue to do that.
I worked in the consumer electronics industry a couple of lifetimes and careers ago. The VHS vs. Betamax analogy is somewhat similar. The Sony Beta system was technologically superior. But most other manufacturers went with JVC's VHS system and the average consumer wanted more recording time per tape. When the VHS system quickly leapfrogged to 4 and then 6 hours it was all over for Beta even though the resolution of VHS at the LP and SLP speeds was pathetic.
So while the 800V three phase system is superior, the writing is on the wall and the Tesla standard is going to out market the technologically superior one.
Too bad Porsche didn't get involved in the EV market ten years ago. Which is probably what most automakers are wishing they had done as well.
I'm not. I'm disgusted the Government is more or less saying that we have to have an electric vehicle. I don't want one nor think manufacturer should be caving in.
I don’t know if I would cite that for being the right idea. I do like options though and it is another one.
My best friend bought an Ioniq 5 in part because of its ability to charge very quickly being 800 volts.
She loves her car, and it works for her needs.
I believe that Hyundai and Porsche have the right idea doing the 800 volt systems. Sadly if the future truly does all go the way of tesla chargers, that charging advantage is dead, and will be slowed way down.
Tesla makes a lot of empty promises, and spends a fortune on advertising, but their products aren't very good in the real world.
Extremely unreliable cars, unbreakable truck windows that shatter easily, semi trucks that are basically useless for hauling, charging times slower than advertised, real world driving range much less than they say, and a nightmare supposed self driving system.
It is better to under promise, and over perform.
Instead tesla chose to over promise, and under perform.
If I went ev shopping next week, tesla would barely be on my radar as a brand to consider.
Lucid, Porsche, Kia, Hyundai, Volvo, Jaguar, Mercedes, BMW, and more, would all be where I was looking before I looked at a tesla.
I've driven a few teslas, and been in the passenger seat of even more.
As the owner of a fleet of semi trucks I got invited to, and attended a demo of a tesla big truck, it was sadly disappointing.
And who can forget the video of the tesla pickups unbreakable windows, that broke so easily that it was pathetic.
She loves her car, and it works for her needs.
I believe that Hyundai and Porsche have the right idea doing the 800 volt systems. Sadly if the future truly does all go the way of tesla chargers, that charging advantage is dead, and will be slowed way down.
Tesla makes a lot of empty promises, and spends a fortune on advertising, but their products aren't very good in the real world.
Extremely unreliable cars, unbreakable truck windows that shatter easily, semi trucks that are basically useless for hauling, charging times slower than advertised, real world driving range much less than they say, and a nightmare supposed self driving system.
It is better to under promise, and over perform.
Instead tesla chose to over promise, and under perform.
If I went ev shopping next week, tesla would barely be on my radar as a brand to consider.
Lucid, Porsche, Kia, Hyundai, Volvo, Jaguar, Mercedes, BMW, and more, would all be where I was looking before I looked at a tesla.
I've driven a few teslas, and been in the passenger seat of even more.
As the owner of a fleet of semi trucks I got invited to, and attended a demo of a tesla big truck, it was sadly disappointing.
And who can forget the video of the tesla pickups unbreakable windows, that broke so easily that it was pathetic.
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Tesla does not advertise or pay for endorsements. They did, however, say they are considering trying a little advertising.
People think the cars are really expensive even though prices have come down since we bought our car. Tesla wants to get the word out.