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And those demo days like i was invited to are most certainly advertising.
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Would you like me to post more???
And those demo days like i was invited to are most certainly advertising.
I've never seen that. YT only?
My understanding is, this is the 1st Tesla advertisement. Isn't that is what is in the heading?
I've seen it on YT, but not on tv. Where have you seen them?
Regardless, this is hardly, "spends a fortune on advertising".
That's my complaint. Maybe more CEOs of companies should just make up whatever promises they want that day. Let's face it Freightliner and Volvo BEAT Tesla to the market with all-electric semis. I didn't see CEOs of either company make a stupid presentation on how they finally delivered one truck. They just went out and did it. I saw an electric Volvo semi truck owned by Pepsi dropping off pallets at the docks at work. According to the driver the Volvo.pulls more and has actual better range than the Tesla semi. Couple that with Volvo has actually been able to make consistent timely manufacturing deliveries of their vehicles.
And Volvo knows how to build good trucks.
They are the 2nd most sold brand of truck in the world.
My Volvo trucks have all been excellent.
Where I live is very mountainous and the loads are heavy.
A tesla cannot pull 1/4 of the weight i need to pull, even 1/4 of the distance i need to travel.
I would love to have a fleet of electric trucks.
No oil changes, no massive diesel fuel bills, no transmissions, no starting issues in winter, no def, no exhaust, quieter, no engines to rebuild every 2 million kilometers, no clutches to replace, no having to warm it up and let it cool down before shut off.
When I can lowbed a heavy piece of equipment, or pull a super B full of fuel with electric trucks, 1500 kms between charges, under any circumstances, I'll be ordering 80 of them.
They are the 2nd most sold brand of truck in the world.
My Volvo trucks have all been excellent.
Where I live is very mountainous and the loads are heavy.
A tesla cannot pull 1/4 of the weight i need to pull, even 1/4 of the distance i need to travel.
I would love to have a fleet of electric trucks.
No oil changes, no massive diesel fuel bills, no transmissions, no starting issues in winter, no def, no exhaust, quieter, no engines to rebuild every 2 million kilometers, no clutches to replace, no having to warm it up and let it cool down before shut off.
When I can lowbed a heavy piece of equipment, or pull a super B full of fuel with electric trucks, 1500 kms between charges, under any circumstances, I'll be ordering 80 of them.
It only takes longer because you drive all over gods creation looking for cheap gas. Normal people stop for gas when they are on the road going somewhere. You do insult peoples intelligence with this crap, I went to Boston yesterday, stopped for gas 2 min away (that was on my way anyway) and was away with a full tank in 4 min.
You are missing out, with the amount you post about these things they should be paying you.
Yeah easy to stop and fill up is still more time involved than not having to stop at all. I could short trip my ICE vehicle all I want, I still have to stop at a gas station.
I’ve said many times the inconveniences we deal with for cars is only accepted because we’re used to the process. You have ideas of how EVs are such a pain to deal with because you have no experience with them and you’re conditioned to deal with the hassles of ICE so it’s just normal. It’s fine to not like them, but I think most of your posts in the EV forum is to keep yourself convinced that you’re correct. Obviously if it was such a huge issue no one would buy them.
What do you consider cheap? Chevron rag is $5.20 if you pay cash. Rotton Robbie is $4.60, again more if oyu use a credit card.
91* wanna be premium is way over $5.
I don't drive all over; I know where the gas stations are. There is no looking required.
I will drive the Tesla about 200 miles tomorrow, charged in my garage with solar panels that power the house for $9 per month.
In the mid 90's today, so I have the AC on. Probably at or near break even on the solar project. All gravy going forward.
Do the math. How much do you pay?
How am I insulting anyone's intelligence? I post my experience. You know, facts with numbers. You post opinion.
I have posted many times EVs are not for everyone. If one works for your use case, fits your budget and it is what you want, then consider it.
Elon pays me 1M Euros for each post, so there's that. I am financially secure.
Remember, this is the Electric Vehicle section... I try and respond politely to you; you resort to insults. I admire your considerable talents with a wrench, but not so much your communication. Unfortunate.
By the way, I am looking for wrench trays as I would like to organize about 50 Snap On wrenches. There are about 8 large 22 to 32MM.
Any advice? Thanks in advance.
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I can send my wife in my car to get gas when she is going somewhere then it takes me no time at all. LOL
The bigger wrenches 22mm > I hang on the wall.
The wall is a 240V gas station. LOL.
I am the gas jock, just like when I was a kid. LOL.
I am the gas jock, just like when I was a kid. LOL.
Thank you. My dad makes Similar comments as it's easy to plug in at home. It took me 6 minutes from pulling in to receipt at the gas station yesterday. 1/4 tank to full. I'm tried of the excuses that ev owners use. You'd think they'd be all for a faster charging standard. I'm seeing a correlation between early vehicles and the current ev market. Early on vehicle manufacturers kept marketing more power and faster to consumers. On a recent documentary of "The cars that built the world " it showcased Winton vs Ford. Winton was one of the largest manufacturers and most luxurious. Ford realized if his company were to survive cars had to be reliable not just fast.
I don't think there is anyone that would say they wouldn't want faster public charging. What you'd find out using them though is you very rarely use public charging anyway. I'm sure your dad's point is that he doesn't even have to stop at the gas station. Yes I can go further in my other car and take a shorter stop to fill up, but I can't fuel it at home and the amount of times I've needed to use public charging I can count on 1 hand in 6 months. I have to get gas sometimes as many as 3 times a week only driving it. Of course all of this is dependent on how you need to use your vehicle. My wife chose the EV because it makes sense for her use. My car cost less money and for fuel is at least economical for something with performance aspirations, but as much as I drive an EV would make up for the cost and would likely have me using public charging 1 to 2 times a month. I'm considering a Model 3 Performance but at this time I don't think I'll buy an EV for my next car. That doesn't mean I don't like EVs, I love driving her car. I also like other vehicles and I don't really need or want two of the same car with different performance levels.
What I want out of a car seems to be a very much dying breed regardless of what is happening with EVs. I want something fun, fast, lightweight, practical with plenty of tech, and still fuel efficient. There aren't a lot of performance hatchbacks left and even less that don't have wings sticking off of them with boy racer effects I feel I'm too old to deal with giving off that image. I don't want a crossover or SUV with the power to move like that which has become popular. They sit higher off the ground than I want to be and just aren't as fun to hustle through corners along with still using more fuel. At least for me if I decide to stay in a car like this it limits me to another GTI or an Integra Type S and at least in the case of the GTI top trim level it's still $15k cheaper than a Model 3 Performance and that pays for a lot of fuel. Of course I could change my mind in a few years, but after living with it for awhile I just don't see charging as a limiting factor with an EV. If anything it's a benefit in daily use and not a detriment on long trips because of the Tesla network.
You have to go somewhere to fuel up? And pay? Such a hassle some people have to have someone else do it for them?
What a drag.
It's funny how the EV naysayers have no actual experience.
What a drag.
It's funny how the EV naysayers have no actual experience.
There's still that tradeoff between fast public charging for convenience and the detriment with regards to battery longevity. But Tesla has all these Level 3 charging setups for the convenience, but there are people living in apartments and condos who don't have a practical means of doing at home charging but still want an EV. Plus people using charging credits (even free charging) and going for it anyways even if they have a home charging setup.
As for that fun, lightweight ICE car without the massive wing. There is the GR Corolla. In its base configuration the ground effects are understated and even their optional wing is rather understated compared to maybe a Civic Type-R wing.
It does take some experience, but that's the case for almost any new car. I remember seeing reruns of the 70s TV show Family where the patriarch buys a Corvette in a midlife crisis. He buys something large (maybe a birthday cake?) and then he has an employee help him and then he finds out there is no trunk.
My dad is having some interesting stuff dealing with it. I think his Model 3 just got charged to 100% for the first time and he tried to disconnect it. I've showed him how it was done before but it probably didn't take. In any case, it takes a bit of getting used to how much force is needed to pull out the connected even when unlocked, and he was apparently afraid of damaging something. But a couple of weeks ago I wasn't sure if he'd be comfortable even driving it, and now that part he has down pat.
There is a push to install chargers in condos around here; most condo HOAs have no problem with it. Apartments are starting to look into chargers. The #1 reason EV owners go back to ICE is lack of charging. I would not have an EV if I could not charge at home with the 240V dedicated circuit. Each to their own, I guess.
I don't see the understated part of that one I guess. I definitely want a more upscale interior than these offer too. I wish the S3/RS3 was still a hatch in the US, but by the time you get to RS3 it's no longer in the realm I want to spend on a car.There's still that tradeoff between fast public charging for convenience and the detriment with regards to battery longevity. But Tesla has all these Level 3 charging setups for the convenience, but there are people living in apartments and condos who don't have a practical means of doing at home charging but still want an EV. Plus people using charging credits (even free charging) and going for it anyways even if they have a home charging setup.
As for that fun, lightweight ICE car without the massive wing. There is the GR Corolla. In its base configuration the ground effects are understated and even their optional wing is rather understated compared to maybe a Civic Type-R wing.
It shouldn't take any force at all. Push the button on top of the connector and it unlocks, you'll hear the click. If it takes force you're pulling through the latch mechanism.
Maybe someone can educate a knuckle dragging ICE driver.
Is there a technical reason they can't have both charge options? Wouldn't they simply need 2 charge ports and an interlock so only one would connect at a time? I would think the high volt charger could easily be designed to handle the lower voltage as well, so your talking the cost of the plugs and the interlock?
Just so I am involved in the argument - I won't be owning a EV anytime soon because the ROI with cheap gas and no state rebate here is very negative. Anyone buying one here is doing it as a green status symbol. I prefer to remain grey man anyway. Not to mention our grid sucks so there is that small problem as well.
Is there a technical reason they can't have both charge options? Wouldn't they simply need 2 charge ports and an interlock so only one would connect at a time? I would think the high volt charger could easily be designed to handle the lower voltage as well, so your talking the cost of the plugs and the interlock?
Just so I am involved in the argument - I won't be owning a EV anytime soon because the ROI with cheap gas and no state rebate here is very negative. Anyone buying one here is doing it as a green status symbol. I prefer to remain grey man anyway. Not to mention our grid sucks so there is that small problem as well.