Saab 0W 30 Turbo Oil at 10,600 Miles

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The first comments are from my oil change in December. The second #'s are from the current assay.

DAVID: This oil was in use 14,800 miles and has not been changed since the engine was new. Given those conditions, we are not surprised that wear read like it did. The engine is breaking in still, so the metals and silicon should decrease with future oil changes. Potassium and sodium are probably factory leftovers. You might want to do a short-run oil (3000 miles) to get these abrasive elements out of the block. The TBN read 2.3, showing some (not a lot) active additive remaining. We'd use fewer miles next oil change. We can't tell you exactly what kind of oil this is.

12/17/03 4/24/04
14,800 miles; 25,400 miles

42 iron 17
9 aluminum 5
1 chromium 1
11 copper 3
12 lead 5
6 tin 1
0 moly 2
1 nickel 0
20 manganese 5
0 silver 0
0 titanium 0
15 potassium 4
70 boron 115
46 silicon 14
16 sodium 5
3211 calcium 2974
222 magnesium 230
921 phosphorus 963
1077 zinc 1114
4 barium 1

flashpoint 375F (n > 365) 395
INSOLUBLES %0.4 %0.5
WATER %0.0 %0.0
ANTIFREEZE %0.0 %0.0
FUEL %0.5 %0.5
VISCOSITY 59.3 SUS @ 212F (54-61) 58.4

TBN for both samples were 2.5

Blackstones comments:

David: Nice improvements. You've run this oil longer than we would have recommended for a fairly new engine, and wear still looks good. We think you'll probably find another improvement next sample--or this might be as good as it gets as long as you're running the oil 10,000 miles. The TBN read 2.5, so the oil didn't contain a lot of active additive, but still had enought to get the job done in your Saab. We can't tell you who, exactly, makes this oil. This is a very common additive package used by several oil manufacturers. It's doing a good job in your engine, though.

Some of my comments:

I changed this when the computer told me to. The oil didn't last as long as the first run with 14,800 miles on the factory fill. These miles were 90%+ highway. I did about 11,000 miles in 3 months where the first sample was 15,000 miles in about 6 months.
It seems these are two different oils?? Am I correct? I know this last sample was the Saab 0W 30 oil but obviously not exactly sure what the facotry fill was. Why can't Blackstone tell exactly what brand of oil this is?

[ May 05, 2004, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: CosmicFlash ]
 
I don't see the need for a short 3k run like they suggest, there don't seem to be a lot of "abrasive elements" in there at all, the wear looks great to me!
 
Wear dropped nicely since your first sample. Nice report. Wonder what an oil with moly would show as far as wear numbers are concerned. Might want to look at the UOA posted here this week I think on a '96 Saab turbo using 15W-50 and PureOne filters, much better numbers.
 
It looks like both changes where using the same oil. It looks to be an excellent oil but pushed a little farther than I would have. Excellent results for the milage.
 
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Originally posted by CosmicFlash:

Why can't Blackstone tell exactly what brand of oil this is?


Dunno
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but the first fill was the Total Fina ELF 0w-30 and the second was the Mobil LL 0w-30 . This is the oil thats 17 bucks for a 4 liter jug at the Saab dealers .

I'd say it worth the price for your use
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It does appear the posted phos,zinc and boron is flipped though , the ELF oil containing the higher amounts.

It is also apparent Saab has this engine oil type and computer deal figured out . I would not change a thing at this point
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[ May 05, 2004, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: Motorbike ]
 
So we're not sure if these are the same two oils OR the factory fill being the Total Fina?

The first oil certainly can go the 15-18,000 miles but the Saab oil would be pushing it.

Do you think I could get any longer drain intervals with GC 0W 30, Amsoil 0W 30, or the approved Mobil 1 0W 40?

Thanks.
 
They should be two different oils. The factory fill, as identified by Saab in a July 2000 TSB, is a 0W-40 full syn. Some folks over on SaabNet have said they've been told (by Saab reps) that it's "similar to, but different than" Mobil 1 0W-40.

These engines have proven to shred even the best oils (look at zeke's M1 15W-50 UOA; it took the oil from 17.4 cSt to 16.6 cSt (Al: "almost a 40 weight!")), so I don't doubt the factory fill started life as a 40 wt oil. Of course, I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if GM fills all US-bound Saabs with a 30 wt oil.

IMO, start out with the highest viscosity you can stomach & let the turbo do its worst on it.
 
Eiron,

Thanks for your reply.
Seems you are probably correct. These two assays aren't the same...it's scary. Why isn't anybody else chiming in here???
Although this Saab oil (Mobil 1) is a good oil I'll probably try the GC 0W 30 or Amsoil...

The Mobil 1 0W 40 would be ok too...
 
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Originally posted by Eiron:
These engines have proven to shred even the best oils (look at zeke's M1 15W-50 UOA; it took the oil from 17.4 cSt to 16.6 cSt (Al: "almost a 40 weight!")), so I don't doubt the factory fill started life as a 40 wt oil. Of course, I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if GM fills all US-bound Saabs with a 30 wt oil.

Eiron, that's a viscosity loss of only 4.6%, which is better than what happened to the 0W-40 in my engine (thinned 8% every time). I think the 15W-50 holds up better to the abuse!

Don't forget that this is a 9-3SS, which uses a completely new engine from all the other SAABs. I think this one is a little easier on the oil, and it sure helps to have a 6 quart sump instead of a 4 quart sump...

CosmicFlash, most of the additives are very close (P, Zn, Mg, Ca) or within acceptable limits of lab error--I'm not sure what's so "scary"?

Hey, wanna try the new Amsoil 5W-40 European Car Formula? They say it meets the required spec (GM-LL-A-025) for your car, which might be important while it's still under warranty.
 
Hey Jason!
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Yeah, I know. I guess I got a little carried away. Sorry.
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Of course I believe the 15W-50 is the best oil to run in these engines; I haven't changed my mind in that respect. My point was that even the most robust oils are beaten into submission by Swedish turbochargers. (Remember Pablo's 10k mi UOA of Amsoil 20W-50 in his Volvo turbo?) And none of us believe the factory fill is the most durable oil available, do we?

I agree, the new EcoTec engine & 6L sump both help to extend the operating life of any qualified syn. I'm just not convinced that any xW-30 should be considered qualified for Saab engines. (Woo-Hoo! I can hear the shrieks & howls of protest already!!) But that's just my opinion. An xW-40 or xW-50 will continue to be my primary recommendations for these Nordic machines.

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P.S., I like the SaabNet name change!
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Hey Greg!
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Wow! I forgot about Pablo's report, Amsoil 20W-50 sheared down to a 30 weight!
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And I'll "shriek"... I think GC and Amsoil Series 2000 (both 0W-30 oils) are just fine for a SAAB turbo!
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I'd love to see what a 9-5 engine would do to the SAAB 5W-30 (semi-syn/syn-blend) or the SAAB 0W-30 syn, looks like Jae will do a UOA? Come in, Alazon...
 
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