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Back in the 90s I used to get my 1990 Integra sprayed by Krown every year. It stayed rust free except for a serious issue at the top of the windshield that came blistering out from under the trim. I think that during a windshield replacement the seam and coatings were damaged allowing rust. Others said it was clogged sunroof drains (which I don't think were ever clogged since I checked them every now and then).

Other than that, as the years went by I started getting thumbs up and specific comments from mechanics (even dealer mechanics who never talk directly to customers) about how easy the car was to work on compared to everything else they see.

One thing that bothered me was that every sunny day until about June oil would come dripping out of all of the drains. Furthermore my spare tire well and other similar areas were full of pools of Krown which ran down from the C pillars and the like. I didn't DIY much of anything in the early 90s and had nowhere to work on the car (first a student, then a high rise apartment dweller).

When I got my current 1998 BMW in 2001 it was recommended to me by several people (mechanics, forums, owner's clubs) NOT to spray it. This is partially because the seam sealing and galvanized construction was a far cry from what Acura was doing - supposedly. All of the important suspension and subframe components are also aluminum so they are not subject to rust. I was starting to DIY a lot of things and I know I didn't particularly want everything to be sitting in pools of oil and have dirt attracted all over so I left it.

I still rust protect myself by getting under the car, spraying inside cavities etc... I've used Amsoil MP and MPHD, Rust Check (thin and thick), Krown, Wurth Body Cavity Protection spray, Wurth Stoneguard Lite, straight Tremclad paint in some areas of the underbody and a bunch of other things. This daily driver, salt encrusted BMW has developed little rust.

One area was the lower seams in the front doors. On closer inspection it appears that the seam sealing machine was malfunctioning the day my car was built and wasn't properly heating the stick of sealer. In some places it was still a rectangular strip of plastic like material sitting on top of the seam and painted over. Nice. Krown may have prevented this. Either way I didn't let it progress very far and had a body shop reseal the seams. All of the door cavities receive a thin treatment like Amsoil MP, Krown, or Wurth BCPS.

Another area of trouble has been the trunk lid. I am not severely stressed over this area because in the very worst case it is a removable component which could be replaced. I have issues along part of the seam of the lid. No rusting is visible but the seam sealing, again, looks a little off. This area is always kept rust proofed 12 months of the year and hasn't changed in appearance since 2002. There is light rusting around the trunk release switch. The area is not visible unless the switch is removed and you're looking up from the ground so I simply keep this area clean, primed and painted although it's a very difficult area to do the job properly so I need to clean it up once per year or so. These trunk areas are "common" places to check for the model so no shockers there.

The final area is my side mirror mounts. The corrosion is whiteish and started underneath so I am led to believe it's aluminum. It's blistering under the black trim paint now, however, so it's not acting like aluminum. It's taken years to progress to a point where it's visible when you're not lying on the ground under the car and at least it's a fully removeable unit for refinishing and isn't connected to the frame or body panels.

Everything else is shiny and looks showroom. There's minor corrosion and surface rust on fasteners and some seams on the underbody. I clean and protect all of the welds and spray inside any plugged cavities I can get spray into. I'm contemplating going into a Krown location before they get busy and chat with the owner/operator about not wanting drilled holes and not wanting pools of Krown in every body cavity that comes pouring out the drains until mid-summer. It's also possible that they use less product now so that wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

I am now kind of wishing I started taking this car to Krown about 6 years ago as it would probably have zero issues. On the other hand I am still DIYing reasonably effective protection and I don't have any of the mess I got between 10-20 years ago with Krown.
 
Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
I'm contemplating going into a Krown location before they get busy and chat with the owner/operator about not wanting drilled holes and not wanting pools of Krown in every body cavity that comes pouring out the drains until mid-summer. It's also possible that they use less product now so that wouldn't be a problem in the first place.



You better hurry - traditionally this is their busy time. Speaking of busy times - I've heard it recommended to get Krown in the spring, as it seeps into all the nooks and crannies and chases away moisture left from winter. However, my local Krown dealer said any time, as long as once a year is fine.

When it comes to dripping - I find it drips a lot from the underbody for the first two or three days, but as to dripping from the door drains etc. I didn't find it excessive. They do, however, still drill holes in certain areas to get behind the body panels. I suppose you could ask them to just spray the underside and areas reachable without drilling holes.

I use the Krown dealer in Burlington and if they're close to you I HIGHLY recommend them. Customer service is excellent - case in point - my last vehicle, a Subaru Outback was bought used and was very rusty in the rear frame/suspension area (Subaru even had a recall for this problem). After getting it Krowned for the first time I realized all the black paint on the suspension parts was peeling (and this thing had already been in for the recall). So I took a power sprayer and blasted off all the loose paint and rust (there was a lot, believe me).

I then took it back to Burlington Krown (about 3 months had passed since the initial application) and told them what I had done, and asked what it would cost to just have just the underbody sprayed again (not the doors and panels etc.) The owner (his wife actually) just asked for the keys, had it driven into the bay and the underbody just drenched with Krown, free of charge.

Good business on their part, as I'm now a repeat and permanent customer.
 
If you want to keep them from drilling holes, and get a better rustproof job, remove the door panels and any other panels that would give them access to the cavities. I'm sure they haven't had anybody do that and they may look at you as a serious customer.
 
I would still get that BMW sprayed by Krown, it will stop or dramatically slow down the existing rust. Even though you spray the car yourself, the spray pattern from the can will never be as effective as the 360 pattern on the air gun nozzle that Krown guys use, they also have different kinds of nozzle types and sizes for different applications. On the underside, for example, they use a small "L" shaped nozzle to spray all the little cavities and openings with oil, then they use a wide spray pattern nozzle to coat the entire underside with oil.

Drilling holes in your car may sound bad, but it is totally fine. I watched Krown guys do my car, it is a really professional job, they use special hole saws that automatically stop once they go through the metal, the holes are greased and capped, they are small and after they're capped they look OEM, you won't notice them much.

Also, keep touching up problematic areas as well. I always spray more oil in the fender wells, fender lips, inside the hood and other areas just before winter on top of Krown. A can of rustproofing lasts me several years and since Mazda is not exactly known for rust resistance, I don’t want to take any chances.
 
Actually I have done the doors and several other areas with the panels off. From what I've seen I don't think I'd be able to properly operate the car down to the facility with all of those things removed - disconnecting air bags in particular. Also, BMW has sound proofing and vapour barrier sealing the door from the inside which is attached with butyl tape and heated to seal. That's a pain in the butt enough without doing it more times than necessary (and trying to get it to stick back to a Krown-coated surface :) )

My Integra was drilled, and they did OK. When I had my door seams fixed I was talking to the guys from the collision shop I used. He indicated that on the BMW chassis there was no reason to drill holes and anyone looking to drill holes was just being lazy - and that a lot of spray techs are lazy. I understand they're running small, volume-based business and will save time wherever possible, I won't throw the term "lazy" around.

When I drop by to talk with them, I will probably chat about access to certain cavity areas. For instance from the trunk you can quite possibly get spray access right up the C pillar and along the entire length over the doors and possibly even get indirect spray down the B pillar with no drilling. I know also, though, that there are electronics mounted in this space (power controllers for rear window defog, antenna amplifiers and MUXes) in the C-pillar spaces. I'd also have to remove all of the trunk linings, wall carpets, and side access panels. This is back to the "I don't want everything covered in oil" scenario. It's not fun removing an access panel, taking out an antenna amp to check it and having it be dripping with Krown snot. Not having rust is certainly nice, but there are downsides to blasting every cavity with shop sprayers instead of selectively applying something DIY.

Right now all of my C pillar cavities have Wurth cavity protection spray in them which is a thin spray which creeps and then dries dry, clear and hydrophobic. The area looks a little foggy, as if wax is ready to be buffed off, and water beads and shoots away from the panels. Honestly I'd prefer a shop sprayer of THAT stuff for interior panels and then traditional Krown in the frame and underbody.
 
Kestas - I have actually considered making a trip to Canada to get the Jeep Krown-ed. However, for the cost, I decided to try the DIY method for this year.

Fortunately, my unibody is galvanized, so the only rust on the beast after 12 years (never been rustproofed by either PO) is a little surface rust on a few welds (very minor).

Next summer, I might degrease it, get it good and clean, let it dry for a few days (in the driveway, good weather, undriven), and then clean up any little bits of rust and give it a heavy spray of rubberized undercoating on all the metal. Then, once winter comes, oil spray over that for any stuff that can't be coated (driveshafts, etc), as well as a second layer of protection.
 
I'm quite opposed to "rubber" undercoatings. I've read, heard and seen that they will often make the situation worse. I understand you've clearly stated that you're going to be cautious about cleanliness prior to application (which the average user is not) but if you spray and seal an area which still has even the tiniest path for saltwater into it the rubber coating will keep everything looking fantastic and you won't even know you have a problem until the floor rusts through.

I prefer thinner products where you can still see the surfaces. Light solids or waxy coatings like the cosmoline the undercarriage of my car was sprayed with at the factory. JMO
 
I'm not sure about your Integra, but My Mazda was sprayed 4 times already and I have 0 Krown oil pooling in the trunk or anywhere else for that matter. When I opened up the front door panels, to install aftermarket speakers, everything was fine and certainly not dripping with oil, but I could see through the vapor barrier that the sheet metal had a nice tacky coat of Krown product. I also took down some of the panels in the trunk, just out of curiosity, to check how the oil is holding up, and again, there was a nice tacky coat of Krown on sheet metal, the liner did not show any signs of excess oil on it.

Perhaps your shop was too liberal with the product or the nozzles were too big, I noticed that the shop I go to uses nozzles that spray a very fine mist of oil, it almost looks like fog. Sometimes too much of the good thing can be bad.
 
I agree to stay away from rubberized coatings and even cosmoline. Krown-type rustproofing (wool grease) seeps into the welds, seams, and other nooks and crannies where rustproofing is most needed.

All rustproofing eventually gets brittle and delaminates from the surface. This can make the situation worse by creating a crevise that holds corrodants. Krown-type rustproofing is least prone to this phenomenon, and takes the longest to reach this condition.

One thing not mentioned in these rustproofing threads is that mechanics hate to work on cars that are rustproofed. The overspray gets everything greasy.

I've had mechanics compliment my work.
 
You mean they hate it because they get their hands dirty?
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Are these complainers sure they picked the right profession?

As I DYI'er, I'd rather get a bit dirtier or wash the area with degreaser than fight every single bolt, I don't have the luxury of torches and high torque impact guns.
 
Kris7: As I mentioned my Integra days ended almost a decade ago. Krown practices might have changed over the years. I used shops in KW and in Toronto.

Kestas: Mechanics gave me thumbs up underbody. All the fasteners were no problem and easy to work on. Although this is the situation today with my BMW and no Krown - and I'm now the principal mechanic. On the other hand, when I did what I did DIY on the Integra (like changing a tail light gasket or something) the goo everywhere drove me batty. If I had a multimeter or bottle of oil in the trunk with the tire it ended up covered with Krown goo. It could also get into things like headliner glue and release the adhesive. You may be right that it was a case of rediculous over-application. These are just the gooey memories I'm left with.

Kestas: wool grease? Isn't that the same as AutoRX? I remember reading a thread about wool grease for some reason and it wasn't rust proofing. Next we'll have a bunch of BITOG threads about spraying Krown aerosols under your VC
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The potential for cracks and leakage in the rubber stuff is why I would still spray over it with an oil based product. Most of the benefit of the double-protection would be for the soundproofing. I'm not sure if I'll do that or not anyway. I'll see how my DIY spray holds up this winter first.
 
Originally Posted By: (product data sheet)
Texaco Rust Proof Compounds deliver value through:

• Excellent long-term rust protection —
Petrolatum and special additive system form a
nonhardening, self-sealing film to protect surfaces
against the elements. Good water displacing
capabilities ensures that the protective film is also
waterproof. The special rust inhibitor system
ensures maximum protection against corrosive
attack. Good penetrating characteristics ensure
difficult-to-reach seams and crevices receive
effective corrosion protection.

• Minimum surface preparation required —
Ability to penetrate existing flaky or heavy rust
means that little or no preliminary cleaning of metal
surfaces is required before application. This
penetrating ability makes existing rust easier to
remove, should it be considered desirable to do so
for a better or more economical job.


This is what I use. I'll admit I'm somewhat confused about the mention of "petrolatum". When I first started using this product, it was touted as being wool grease with 1-3% stearic acid.
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas
I agree to stay away from rubberized coatings and even cosmoline. Krown-type rustproofing (wool grease) seeps into the welds, seams, and other nooks and crannies where rustproofing is most needed.

All rustproofing eventually gets brittle and delaminates from the surface. This can make the situation worse by creating a crevise that holds corrodants. Krown-type rustproofing is least prone to this phenomenon, and takes the longest to reach this condition.

One thing not mentioned in these rustproofing threads is that mechanics hate to work on cars that are rustproofed. The overspray gets everything greasy.

I've had mechanics compliment my work.


Krown is not 'wool grease' - it's not a thickish type fluid. It does not get brittle or delaminate, so it is not least prone to doing this, it is just NOT prone to doing it.

This stuff is fluid, like WD-40 and does not thicken up and make a coating after being applied.
 
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Krown is not 'wool grease' - it's not a thickish type fluid. It does not get brittle or delaminate, so it is not least prone to doing this, it is just NOT prone to doing it.

This stuff is fluid, like WD-40 and does not thicken up and make a coating after being applied.


Everything dries up eventually, and I think Krown is lanoline based (wool oil), but it has other agents to make it thinner and easier to apply by spray guns.

Like I said earlier, I took the trunk liner off, and Krown definitely thickens up and leaves a tacky coating on the sheet metal, it's not as thick as a wax coating, but it's not just oil either.
 
Anything is still better than nothing.

Better a fastener is greasy and easy to remove rather than dry and rust-welded in place...

Ordering a case of aerosol Fluid Film to hit the undersides of the cars with. It's the easiest DIY for me.
 
The instructions for Texaco Rust Proof Compound say to cut the compound with mineral spirits so it can be sprayed. The mineral spirits dry off in a matter of a few days and leave the compound behind. It has the same consistency as wheel bearing grease, and maintains this consistency for years.
 
Chances are, the lighter portions evaporate off, leaving a sticky film of heavier oil behind. It wouldn't delaminate though, as it's still liquid. It just wouldn't run and creep as readily anymore.
 
I've seen Texaco Rust Proof Compound delaminate after eight years in the high wash areas. Otherwise, for the most part, it stays greasy and adheres the substrate.
 
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