Russia’s trampoline guy is now mocking US

[HTSS_TR]

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Russia’s trampoline guy is now mocking US rocket engine makers
"They have no equipment to orbit their payloads on," deputy prime minister taunts.


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Back in 2014, as tensions between the United States and Russia rose to a crescendo, that country's chief space minister mocked NASA and the US government for its reliance on Russia to get US astronauts to the International Space Station. If the US didn't like Russia's policies and was going to persist in economic sanctions, deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted, perhaps they would like to use a trampoline to get to space?

Publicly, neither NASA nor the US government responded.

What can you say when you have no mean to get space ? You just play dumb as if you see nothing and hear nothing.


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But beyond astronaut transport, the US government is reliant upon Russia in another way in space—until last year the primary means by which national security payloads were launched into space was via the Atlas V rocket. This reliable launch vehicle is powered by RD-180 engines that United Launch Alliance purchases from Russia

It was in the context of the RD-180 purchases that Rogozin lashed out at the American aerospace industry, and Elon Musk in particular:

"You have heard all sorts of speculations on this by American politicians, starting from McCain to Elon Musk, who were trying to prevent such deliveries," Rogozin said. "However, the pragmatic Americans, being the initiators of the sanctions, continue to purchase our engines, because they simply do not have this kind of engine. They have no equipment to orbit their payloads on."

Another trash talking by other high ranking Russian !

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Musk has been a particular target of Rogozin because SpaceX's low-cost launch business has threatened Russia's space industry on several fronts. For many national security launches, SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket offers a far-less-expensive alternative to the Atlas V, especially now that it has been certified by the Air Force. Musk's Dragon spacecraft, too, will help end reliance on the Russian Soyuz spacecraft for human transport to the station . And finally, the Falcon 9 has taken launch commercial satellite launch business away from the Russia's Proton rocket. Given all of this, some of Musk's family members have expressed concern about Musk's personal safety.


http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/06/r...pace-companies/

Should we take insulting by high ranking Russian officers ? Where are the pride of American leaders ? They lost it ?

 

[69GTX]

Russia's gymnastics teams currently can't compete in the 2016 Olympics. So the men's team might as well serve double duty as trampoline "liftoff" specialists.

 

[FL_Rob]

"Should we take insulting by high ranking Russian officers ? Where are the pride of American leaders ? They lost it ?"

Our current leaders dislike American pride and often apologize for it.

On our behalf.

 

[Kira]

Dopey Russians mouth-off and you want what? drop a thermonuclear device on them?

Man, your brain is so full of prerecorded carp it comes through your typing fingers.

Consider growing up on OUR behalf. (awaiting flame) Kira

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: Kira
Dopey Russians mouth-off and you want what? drop a thermonuclear device on them?

Man, your brain is so full of prerecorded carp it comes through your typing fingers.

Consider growing up on OUR behalf. (awaiting flame) Kira

We should cooperate with Russian on many fronts, space exploration is 1 of many things we should work with Russian on equal partner, not the underhanded partner. If Russian refuses to take our astronauts to ISS what can we do ? Use trampoline to shoot ours to ISS ?

We clearly need to design/engineer our own rocket's engine(s), not totally depend on Russian engine(s) for our rocket(s).

Insulting me personally is okay but insulting my nation is not acceptable. As a proud American I do not take insulting easily.

 

[Kestas]

Isn't using Russian rockets one way of keeping Russian scientists from working on weaponry? IIRC, we were very worried with what Russian scientists would do after the cold war.

 

[KrisZ]

US relying on Russian lunch vehicles is a huge ego boost to them, however they should not be talking smack, it's a sign of weakness and it could be more than a sign.
US on the other hand, should double or triple their efforts to develop something on their own. I don't mind the US officials treating the trash talk with silence.

 

[Jetronic]

Did the russians tell porkies? No, it's true.

But what did Obama say about the Russian Armed Forces? A regional power at best.

Russians are just as proud (or patriotic) as Americans, they don't take insult easily either...

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: Kestas
Isn't using Russian rockets one way of keeping Russian scientists from working on weaponry? IIRC, we were very worried with what Russian scientists would do after the cold war.

May be. But we need to have a mean to do it our-self if needed. We can't totally depend on Russian(or China) on anything.

If Russian refuses to take our astronauts to ISS tomorrow, do we have any mean to take them to ISS ?

Where is American's Pride ?

 

[shDK]

Russia is a nation With an amount of natural resources that all countrys dream about. Yet they can barely feet there own population.

10% of there population are alcoholics. And 25% of there male population die before the age og 55.

It is actually illegal to tell a child that homesexual People exist.

They have large groups of neo nazis, maybe they forgot how much the Russians bleed because of nazism

Where is the Russian pride?

But they sure are dangerous.

 

[UncleDave]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Isn't using Russian rockets one way of keeping Russian scientists from working on weaponry? IIRC, we were very worried with what Russian scientists would do after the cold war.

May be. But we need to have a mean to do it our-self if needed. We can't totally depend on Russian(or China) on anything.

If Russian refuses to take our astronauts to ISS tomorrow, do we have any mean to take them to ISS ?

Where is American's Pride ?


Do you really believe their claim even makes sense?

The only thing we need Russia for is CHEAP engines. Not engines period.

We have all kinds of lifting capability between our public and military programs- see last weeks launch of the delta 4 heavy as one example.

A hard working and smart people in dire need of real leadership - as usual the Russians don't understand how to use the press properly and make inaccurate highly nationalistic claims trying to see who they can get on the other end to buy it hook line and sinker.

UD

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Russia's gymnastics teams currently can't compete in the 2016 Olympics. So the men's team might as well serve double duty as trampoline "liftoff" specialists.


Talk is cheap..... means nothing 99.99% of the time.

Signed
Kim Jong-un

 

[Win]

Three cheers for Elon Musk.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: Kestas
Isn't using Russian rockets one way of keeping Russian scientists from working on weaponry? IIRC, we were very worried with what Russian scientists would do after the cold war.


No really.

They have various teams working on different projects.


Propaganda is a powerful psychological force; our current government Adm. uses it very effectively on the Millenials.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Isn't using Russian rockets one way of keeping Russian scientists from working on weaponry? IIRC, we were very worried with what Russian scientists would do after the cold war.

May be. But we need to have a mean to do it our-self if needed. We can't totally depend on Russian(or China) on anything.

If Russian refuses to take our astronauts to ISS tomorrow, do we have any mean to take them to ISS ?

Where is American's Pride ?


Originally Posted By: UncleDave
Do you really believe their claim even makes sense?

The only thing we need Russia for is CHEAP engines. Not engines period.

We have all kinds of lifting capability between our public and military programs- see last weeks launch of the delta 4 heavy as one example.

A hard working and smart people in dire need of real leadership - as usual the Russians don't understand how to use the press properly and make inaccurate highly nationalistic claims trying to see who they can get on the other end to buy it hook line and sinker.

UD

Why Space-X with American made engines is cheaper to launch than ULA(United Launch Alliance) regular rocket using Russian made engines ?

Even if it is cheaper to use Russian engines, we still need to be able to make our own engines to use if needed.

Will you tell me, is it okay that we rely on Russian to shuttle our Astronauts to and from ISS 100% of the time ? If Russian is refusing to take our Astronauts to/from ISS then nothing we can do other than down on our knees begging them ?

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Putin could beat up obamanation in about 3 seconds...and I would pay to see it.

Did I say that out loud ?

Russian leaders have a lot more credibility at this point even with many US citizens than our own leaders do, I include myself as well.

 

[UncleDave]

There are a variety of ways to get guys up and down -from cheap to expensive

SpaceX has already docked a dragon with 7K of supplies.
They've had a crewed program in the works for a while.

Lockheed Orion could be mounted on a variety of launch vehicles.

Thats just the commercial stuff we know about.

The military has other stuff we don't know about.

This is a non problem.

UD

 

[Shannow]

What's said is true, and there's no sense getting bent out of shape over it. It's been (loosely) reported down here that the US are reliant on Russian Rocket engines to do the job, and from here, it looks like the US has lost yet another capability.

However if there's a "black plan" in the background, or it's cheaper to do it this way, then your "leadership" could quietly and firmly give a couple of sentences on why it is being managed this way and the bases are otherwise covered, without mentioning specifics and put a whole lot of minds at rest.

 

[Alfred_B]

One should usually be cautious when someone is selling something that costs half as much as the mainstream product/service. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. It happens very rarely.

For me, the jury is still out on SpaceX. I highly doubt that they are the future. And I highly doubt that we have lost the ability to design and build rocket engines.

 

[HTSS_TR]

One simple question: If Russian say no to get our Astronaut to International Space Station tomorrow, can we have any mean to take our Astronauts to ISS next week or next month or early next year ?

Why do we depend on Russian on this importance space exploration ? And we have to take insulting from them without any respond ?

We were the best in space exploration in the 60's and retain that title until second decade of the 21st century. Now, we can't even take a monkey to space.

We spent billions after billions for illegal aliens, but cut NASA budget to the bone.