Running P.s.i Higher to save fuel.

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Originally Posted By: willix
If you prematurely wear out the center of your tread any fuel savings will be needed to replace tires. Taking temps across the tread after they are at operating temp. Warmer temps will tell you areas where they will wear out first. You can find your PSI sweet spot this way. The car manufacturers spec is about a good as it gets in most cases but different tires may like a little more or less psi.


Bang on advice.
 
Cruise Control! This has given me the most consistant MPG ever. I always hated CC but now I use it all the time. My MPG is more consistant from tank to tank and I don't get speeding tickets anymore. The lack of fines are a huge savings too. Figure that in to you MPG!
 
i run mine at the factory recommended 35 psi,although i have switched from the factory 185/75r14, to a 215/60r15 in the front and a 245/60r15 in the rear. the rears seem to be wearing more in the center. i lost alittle mpg in the swap but have gained a good bit better handling and it feels more solid.
 
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Cruise Control! This has given me the most consistant MPG ever. I always hated CC but now I use it all the time. My MPG is more consistant from tank to tank and I don't get speeding tickets anymore. The lack of fines are a huge savings too. Figure that in to you MPG!
Gotta be careful with cruise control though....depending on the car, any little bump in the road, going up a bridge, or a mountain, will cause the tach to "surge" to 4000 RPMs (my experience in my Optima).

I find it easier to crawl up a bridge going 30, and coast down it going 45
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Note: posted speed limit on said bridge is 35.....lol. So granted, I'm under the speed limit going up, I'm "over" the speed limit going down it. No honks, middle fingers, or soft drink cups have been thrown at me yet.

Basically, CC is good for long highway distance where you are on flat terrain. Start going into the mountains and such, and you'll lose any bit of MPG you gain.


As for my PSI, door jamb calls for 32, I keep mine around 38psi.
 
I ran my Mazda Michelin factory tires 5-7psi over listed door PSI (32) and the centers did wear excessively faster than the rest of the tire. It didn't become apparent until the wear bars started appearing on the center tread and nowhere else. I was at 2/32 on the center tread while the other treads were still 3/32 or higher.

I was still able to get 58,800 miles out of the tires, though.
 
I have a similar car to the OP, a 2007 Corolla with the 195/65R15 tires. I bought it used with 16k miles and it had the OEM Bridgestone Insignia SE200 tires on it. They were all fairly worn, and I picked up a sidewall puncture in one near the 19k mile mark, so I just replaced them all. I can't comment on fuel economy with the Bridgestones, as I was still feeling out how the car wanted to be driven, and I was also having fun with it at the same time. I replaced the Bridgestones with Yokohama Avid TRZ tires.

I've tried a lot of different pressures with these tires on this car. The Yokohama tires tend to really harden up when cold, so I'm always playing with tire pressures in the winter. Sometimes I'm into the crisp ride, sometimes not. I track fuel economy on every single tank and input it into www.trackyourgasmileage.com, so I know every tank that I've put in the car. I must say that I haven't really measured any significant difference in fuel economy with the different tire pressures. I've ran as high as 38 PSI in the tires, and as low as the placard-recommended 30 PSI. Right now, I've settled on 32 front/30 rear. I almost always get right about 35 PSI with this car. My overall average for it is 35.35 MPG.

I've read some conjecture on the internet that as you increase pressures high enough, you start to increase your rolling resistance because the dampers on the vehicle will have to move rather than the tire absorbing the texture of the road. Conceptually, it makes sense. Imagine a 50-pound solid rubber wheel that you try to rotate over a brick; this would represent an excessively-inflated tire. You have to lift the entire 50-pound piece of rubber to cross the brick. Then imagine a 50-pound rubber tire/wheel combination inflated to, say, 20 PSI, representing a normal or even under-inflated tire. It'll still take effort to move it across the brick, but the tire will deflect allowing you to push the weight forward rather than lift the weight up over.

Assuming this concept is applicable to a vehicle on an actual road, there is necessarily going to be a gray area as you raise air pressure to lower resistance. Eventually, you'll reach that point of diminishing return, and may actually cross the line and begin to increase your resistance as you go too high. I imagine that with the VAST array of different vehicle weights, tire sizes and construction methods, road types, etc, that line (or even gray area) will be vastly different for everyone. Like I said, I've personally not found any significant delta in fuel economy that I could contribute solely to a tire pressure change. Objective testing shows a nominal effect, and a diminishing effect as you increase pressure much over 35 PSI. I fully expect everyone to have different results here, though. Somebody might gain a significant amount by going from 35 to 40, while others don't even see a difference between 30 and 40, let alone 35 and 40.
 
Originally Posted By: willix
When the tire heats it rises in PSI however having higher PSI causes the tire to run cooler. To dial in a PSI improvment over the recommended requires a pyrometer or infrared temp gun to take tread temps. across the contact patch. There is a max PSI on the sidewall and you don't want to exceed that spec. Most passenger tires are around 40-45PSI. running max psi doesn't mean the tread will wear even. Hi psi = centerwear- low psi = shoulder wear


True, too high psi makes the tire run cooler and the tread may not reach optimum temperature resulting less grip. Furthermore it might shorten the suspension and bushing life.
 
IIRC, Car&Driver Mag did a measured test using different PSI in the tires in a vehicle and there was little difference in MPG when going higher. Not saying that there wasn't any difference but, not much. It was only in the 1/10's. Not even 1 MPG. But then the ride/noise started to be sacraficed. Lowering PSI, same thing. Not much difference in the other direction.

I have tired different PSI in the tires on my rides and didn't notice enough difference in MPG to sacrafice the ride. YMMV!
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: willix
If you prematurely wear out the center of your tread any fuel savings will be needed to replace tires.

I've been running ~8-10psi higher than recommended pressures in my cars and have yet to see a tire wear more in the centre... Over 80,000 miles on the tracker tires and they are wearing normally. Recommended is 28psi, which I can only guess was chosen to make the ride smoother. With 35 or 38psi it actually turns when you turn the steering wheel...

Me too. I run 45-47PSI in my tires with no issues other than a firm ride.
 
Had a Mustang wear a set of tires faster in the center from over-inflation. I think I save more fuel by slowing down than anything else.
 
Increasing tire pressure say from 30 psi to 40 psi will increase mpg but the effect is small and it will be difficult to measure.

In this study highway mpg increased from about 30.5 mpg to 31 mpg when the tire pressure was increased from 30 psi to 40 psi.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/reports/2003-01-31_600-03-001CRVOL2.PDF

In normal mixed highway/city driving in variable weather conditions it will be very difficult to detect this change but you will be saving a bit of fuel.
 
This doesn't work as far as Car and Driver is concerned; if the tires are underinflated you will lose mpg but not the other way around. I inflate 2 pounds over what the door sticker says for crisper turn-in and that's it. The part I dislike is tire places never make note of the front and rear pressures being different as indicated on the door sticker and I have to redo it as soon as I leave the garage
 
C&D drive their cars like maniacs, too.


Higher PSI = less rolling-resistance. E.G. longer coasting time.


My factory sticker is 32psi. I run 42psi front, 40psi rear, and MPG goes up by about 1-2.


The biggest bonus for me is that my tires wear out more evenly.
 
I run old junk used tires on my old junk used Corsica. They tend to leak slowly, and I have to air them up every 3-4 months. I usually go ahead and inflate the tires to about 40-45psi, just so that they'll go longer until I need to add air again. I usually wait until the car starts pulling or a tire is noticeably sagging, then air them up again. Doesn't seem to affect tire wear much.
 
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