Roush Racing Oil - Valvoline

[3oilmat1]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
I do have to hand it to Valvoline. They are getting very aggressive with their advertising and racing promotion. They had all but dropped out of NHRA and now it seems every other car is sponsored by them. There hungry and want to gain market share. I think one of the biggest mistakes Shell made was when they dropped their Pennzoil sponsorship of Roush Racing in favor of Childress. That was just a dumb move on their part.

It's good to be retired as I don't have to worry about things like that anymore, and personally I don't care what any of them do.



Why was it such a bad move for Pennzoil switching to RCR?

Just curious.

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: buster
Nascar teams use Valvoline R&D blends I'm told.
What about the 51% that use mobil? I still say at night the teams pour out the M1 or Valvoline and refill the bottles with AMSOIL Signature Series.

 

[buster]

 

[MolaKule]

See Buster's post about the new Lubrizol ZDDP.

With the right alcohol and the proper zinc, phos ratios, and sulfur ratios, you can make any ZDDP ester you like.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
See Buster's post about the new Lubrizol ZDDP.

With the right alcohol and the proper zinc, phos ratios, and sulfur ratios, you can make any ZDDP ester you like.



What I gleaned from the publications is that the process isn't a panacea and trimming levels is still required. Basically great for future oils not having to withstand further reductions.

Now I'm trying to see what they're saying here (Roush)

The current API standard is "SM," which replaced the previous "SL" classification. Because phosphorus can poison a vehicle’s emission system, the level of zinc is lower for current motor oil. ROUSH® Motor Oil combats this by increasing the zinc levels yet retaining the SL classification. This makes ROUSH® Motor Oil especially useful in older and flat tappet engines.

So are they selling SG levels of zddp and are able to use an SL classification

Plenty of people would be happy with SL levels with an SM classification.

..or am I having an episode

 

[buster]

Yeah it's confusing, I agree. Not sure what they mean.

This new ZDP isn't anthing special. Just a bit more low volatile. No improvement in protection from what I read.

 

[jerre310]

It is my understanding that Dave Mann, Amsoils largest dealer has strong connections to Roush racing. I think this is where he first discover Amsoil while working for Ford at Roush racing. He has also made reference to how many teams, not by name because of contracts with other oil companies, that use Amsoil oil.

 

[buster]

He's full of sh$t IMO. Roush doesn't use Amsoil. Not that they couldn't or wouldn't but they simply don't.

 

[artificialist]

Originally Posted By: buster
Quote:
These functions, and others, are often accomplished though the use of additives which, when correctly balanced, are what differentiates a true, high-quality motor oil.

"There is a real science to correctly mixing oil additives and I really relied on the Valvoline technicians and their one hundred years of experience to help blend the ROUSH Motor Oil line. I could tell them something like ‘I want to try and make sure that we can get more horsepower’ and they would know what it takes to accomplish that based on what we are doing in the NASCAR garages. But, it also means that a compromise needed to be made in another additive area, and they did a magnificent job of optimizing the ROUSH Motor Oil blend to truly be the premium brand," Roush said.


Quote:
NOTE: ROUSH® Motor Oil is one of the only full synthetics on the market today which incorporates an advanced anti-wear additive which keeps higher levels of zinc/phosphorus in the engine where it belongs, instead of on the catalytic converter where it can damage the emissions system.


I thought Mobil 1 15w50 had elevated levels of ZDDP as well. However, other viscosities did not.

 

[jerre310]

I'm just going by what Dave Manns web site says about Roush racing. He has a lot of references to Chip Minich, Roush Engineer, Jim Neece Techician at Roush. I'm still looking through his big web site to find where I read that he first learned about Amsoil because of seeing their products sitting in the Roush faciilties. Dave is the largest Amsoil dealer and I believe would have reputable credentials. He did not say that Roush used Amsoil but did say the many teams do use them.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: jerre310
I'm just going by what Dave Manns web site says about Roush racing. He has a lot of references to Chip Minich, Roush Engineer, Jim Neece Techician at Roush. I'm still looking through his big web site to find where I read that he first learned about Amsoil because of seeing their products sitting in the Roush faciilties. Dave is the largest Amsoil dealer and I believe would have reputable credentials. He did not say that Roush used Amsoil but did say the many teams do use them.


I know who he is. Not personally, but I've seen his website. I like Amsoil a lot, but as far as Roush and what is used in Nascar...not much Amsoil. You can see that Roush is using Valvoline. Some of these Amsoil dealer's spread false rumors about teams dumping out oil and using Amsoil etc. It's all B/S. I've seen far to many exaggerated claims made by Amsoil dealers.

Amsoil is a mighty fine oil and their new Dominator Racing oils are probably stellar.

 

[kingrob]

I pour out my Amsoil bottles and refill them with Havoline.

 

[lazaro]

Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: jerre310
I'm just going by what Dave Manns web site says about Roush racing. He has a lot of references to Chip Minich, Roush Engineer, Jim Neece Techician at Roush. I'm still looking through his big web site to find where I read that he first learned about Amsoil because of seeing their products sitting in the Roush faciilties. Dave is the largest Amsoil dealer and I believe would have reputable credentials. He did not say that Roush used Amsoil but did say the many teams do use them.


I know who he is. Not personally, but I've seen his website. I like Amsoil a lot, but as far as Roush and what is used in Nascar...not much Amsoil. You can see that Roush is using Valvoline. Some of these Amsoil dealer's spread false rumors about teams dumping out oil and using Amsoil etc. It's all B/S. I've seen far to many exaggerated claims made by Amsoil dealers.

Amsoil is a mighty fine oil and their new Dominator Racing oils are probably stellar.

here is a Amsoil user named Bobby Unser spreading false rumors, whatever you do dont watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQ1gcR8NOA

 

[lazaro]

Originally Posted By: kingrob
I pour out my Amsoil bottles and refill them with Havoline.

you better wash out those Amsoil bottles before you ruin the Havoline oil

that Havoline might not make it 13,000 miles in your car but the Amsoil is just getting started, Are you bad at basic math??

please buy more Havoline increase the DEMAND that the SUPPLY cant handle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwyAA2Zt8CI&feature=related

 

[buster]

That was before synthetics were popular. Now they all use synthetic oils that are as good and better than Amsoil. Sorry.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: buster
That was before synthetics were popular. Now they all use synthetic oils that are as good and better than Amsoil. Sorry.


M1 was around back then too. They are both the oldest names in synthetic oil.

 

[buster]

True, I was referring to being used in racing. When Al Unser used Amsoil, I'm not sure how popular synthetic oils were back then in racing and very few probably produced one.

 

[buster]

It's interesting to me that Valvoline's racing oils in the 20/30 grade are API SM. The Mobil and Amsoil racing oils have very high ZDP levels. This means you could use the Roush oils in a modern engine with no problems.

 

[Audi Junkie]

My local speed shop, A&A, has it in all grades except break-in.

 

[Audi Junkie]

$8/q