Rotella and MoS2, a perfect combination???

[Mystic]

I would never put Skyship on Ignore however. His posts are fun!

I still have this mental image of the volunteer who agrees to test on additive at a time in a 30 weight motor oil. I have this mental image of a guy like the deputy in Mayberry.

And I still have this mental image of a young chemist just out of college. She is making a suggestion to the other chemists that maybe they should try gold dust in an experimental motor oil. She says that she realizes it would be expensive but maybe worth a try. And everybody looks at her like she is crazy.

 

[Trav]

I know a lot of folks at BMW and other places and am related to a couple but cant get near much of anything never mind in house data.
I wonder how ZF feels about their "chaps" running off at the mouth and taking people on bus tours letting them in on data so it can spread it over the internet.

The way this can be interpreted right now is ZF doesn't like Moly as it causes more wear.
Skyship says so.
I wonder if anyone from ZF is reading these threads. Who knows maybe they will yet.

 

[edhackett]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, Skyship did say he was invited on the bus they were using to test new transmission fluids.


It was likely the short bus.

Ed

 

[panthermike]

Originally Posted By: skyship
You didn't look at the insolubles figures.


Yes, it was 0.3. Cause for concern? I don't think so. Also, there is no mention that I saw of prior UOA's on that car running Mos2. The other two UOA's that show 0.3 could very well be minus Mos2.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: panthermike
Originally Posted By: skyship
You didn't look at the insolubles figures.


Yes, it was 0.3. Cause for concern? I don't think so. Also, there is no mention that I saw of prior UOA's on that car running Mos2. The other two UOA's that show 0.3 could very well be minus Mos2.


That was my point, that was the best he had, which amounted to a big pile of nothing. I'm glad you took the time, I had better things to do. LOL

 

[skyship]

I have never said Moly itself is bad, although it comes in at least 3 different forms and the snake oil companies are not known for using the most expensive ingredients, you also have to consider which base stock it is in because it will often degrade the base stock of a top quality oil. Hard to say what the exact difference is between good and bad oils, but roughly half of the UOA's showed no difference, but I did not take notes of which ones did not benefit, other than they seemed to be the better full synthetics or HDEO's that already had Moly included in their add packs.

 

[skyship]

You still have not looked at the figures correctly as Moly was added three times giving a figure of 0.3 each time, then when only a small amount was present the figure was 0.1. If you are interested in Moly use then go and look for other examples with a G4 synthetic as the difference is often greater, but that was the only example I found in a quick search. I've asked the chaps in the lab why that is and they said it intereferes with the detegents in the add pack.
If you must experiment with snake oils Liqui Moly Ceretec works better than straight Moly and even produces a result with top quality G4 synthetics and the only side effect seems to be potential spark plug fouling if a gas engine is burning some oil.

 

[skyship]

The files don't belong to ZF, they are the property of one of the employees and you can get a copy of the raw data from the VW TDI forum.

 

[skyship]

This very recent UOA result is interesting because it shows a change from Castrol GTX 5/30 which does not contain Moly, to Pennzoil 5/30 that has a fairly good amount:
UOA results.
That shows that Moly is not some type of essential oil additive, which for some reason a lot of folks think it is. Zinc is much more of an essential additive in my opinion, as I don't think the alternatives work as well.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: skyship
You still have not looked at the figures correctly as Moly was added three times giving a figure of 0.3 each time, then when only a small amount was present the figure was 0.1. If you are interested in Moly use then go and look for other examples with a G4 synthetic as the difference is often greater, but that was the only example I found in a quick search. I've asked the chaps in the lab why that is and they said it intereferes with the detegents in the add pack.
If you must experiment with snake oils Liqui Moly Ceretec works better than straight Moly and even produces a result with top quality G4 synthetics and the only side effect seems to be potential spark plug fouling if a gas engine is burning some oil.


You found 1 UOA report, which in fact was not bad by any means. Explain all the good UOA reports with moly for us.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: skyship
The files don't belong to ZF, they are the property of one of the employees and you can get a copy of the raw data from the VW TDI forum.

No surprise its not ZF.
Why don't you post the link to this UOA? I have a feeling you wont produce it.

ZF may be interested to find out about this bus tour and the "chappies" that let you tag along on these bus tours and gather data.
Maybe someone at ZF will read your threads and contact BITOG for your ID.

I have the proper contact info with phone, fax, email if you want to call/email them and explain about these chaps. LOL

 

[Astro14]

Can we get back to the OPs question?

Would Rotella + MOS2 be the perfect oil for his 4.0 Jeep?

Since it seems to be more important than the actual thread question, perhaps we could dedicate a new thread for Skyship-bashing....

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Can we get back to the OPs question?

Would Rotella + MOS2 be the perfect oil for his 4.0 Jeep?

Since it seems to be more important than the actual thread question, perhaps we could dedicate a new thread for Skyship-bashing....

Hey no one is stopping you from answering the OP's question.
Go ahead if you know the answer.

 

[Astro14]

I did. On the 1st page...but was shouted down as being "anti additive"...which I am not...I am just practical.

This whole thread has devolved into ad hominem arguments and member-bashing. I think it's pointless now.

 

[demarpaint]

I'll answer, I think its a great combo. MoS2 has worked well in every application I tried it in. I can't see how you could go wrong adding it to Rotella.

 

[Trav]

Well i have to agree with you there Astro, it is kind of pointless now.
You never struck me as being either a anti or pro additive poster.

I happen to agree with your recommendation, i don't think extra MoS2 would be of much benefit in Rotella either but i don't know enough about it to make a concrete statement for or against it.

I personally am not a real engine additive user but i'm no hater either. I use them when i think there might be some benefit in solving an issue with an engine but if the engine is clean and quiet then it gets decent oil and that's about it.

 

[skyship]

If you add Moly to an oil that lacks anti wear additives then it often helps. Same goes for Zinc or even Boron. Quite why anyone would buy a cheap oil then spend money on additives to try and improve it I don't understand, as it's much easier and more effective in terms of a reliable outcome to simply buy a better oil.
If you have a race car that likes an oil with lots of Moly there are some high Moly oils available from several different oil companies, or just use one from Redline as they seem to have the highest Moly content I have seen.
One thing that is not possible to detect easily when using additives is exhaust system deposits, which is another reason why it is better to just buy a good oil, rather than try and prove that you know better than the oil company chemists.
A lot of folks forget that the add pack of a good oil is already at the maximum level that can be included without the reduction of base stock content causing additional wear. If you add something to an oil with a full add pack then it either won't work or it will interfere with one of the existing components in many cases, which is why it is a very good idea to do some before and after UOA's, rather than just believing the advertising or thinking that just because the engine sounds better it must be good stuff.

 

[skyship]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
I did. On the 1st page...but was shouted down as being "anti additive"...which I am not...I am just practical.

This whole thread has devolved into ad hominem arguments and member-bashing. I think it's pointless now.


Don't let the addaholics put you off!!

 

[Darkfire]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
After I use some Pennzoil Platinum to make sure my engine is nice and clean I am thinking about trying the Liqui-Moly brand Moly oil supplement. I have not tried it yet but two other oil supplements I have had very good luck with are Schaeffer's oil supplement and Lubegard BioTech Engine Supplement. These are some of the very few oil supplements that I believe in.

Have you ever tried this?: http://www.latracingoils.com/oil-additives

 

[Mystic]

I have never heard of this oil supplement Darkfire. And I would not use it unless I found out that it was useful and effective.