Rotella and MoS2, a perfect combination???

[KCJeep]

I've had an idea (dangerous I know). I've been using MoS2 and have been very satisfied with the results thus far with both Castrol HM and PYB. I'm 850 miles from a UOA so I'll have a better look at things then.

Anyway... I have noticed the great looking results Rotella tends to produce in the Jeep 4.0. But while it's higher in ZDDP, Rotella is totally devoid of common additional anti-wear additives such as moly or boron. That, plus the fact it is a diesel oil and it therefore has additional ability for holding soot... I am thinking it just might be the perfect match for MoS2 in a gasser engine.

Anyone tried it before? Thoughts? Relevant intelligent points or counter points welcome.

NOTE: If you are one of the "anti all things additive all the time" type of posters please don't bother to respond. I'm not interested in what you have to say and you're probably already on "Ignore" anyway.

 

[Donald]

Rotella is good oil. Forget the MoS2.

 

[Astro14]

ZDDP is, by definition, a great anti wear additive. Adding a different additive to an already great oil seems duplicative....a bit pointless to me...

This is going in a 9 year old Jeep, not a race car, Ferrari, or collector classic, so I would save your $$ for other things...

 

[Phishin]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
This is going in a 9 year old Jeep, not a race car, Ferrari, or collector classic, so I would save your $$ for other things...


Don't people get it? Of course, it's not a Ferrari. But we like to treat our vehicles like they are. I'm sure everything would work out just fine if we all took out cars to JiffyLube and used bulk dino. But we don't....

Most men find satisfaction in taking care of their vehicles and mechanicals. Whether it "economically" minded or not.

I have a $2500 Nissan and a $2000 truck and I have fun mixing LG Bio-Tech, LM MOS2, and Lucas Break-In Zn additive to a mixture of 1.4 quarts of M1 0w30AFE, one quart of M1 0w20AFE, and one quart of M1 0w40. I'm not an idiot. But it seems weird to most people that this is "fun" to me. It's a hobby.

Now back to the topic.......I think T6 would be a perfect match for MOS2!! Go for it.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Phishin
Originally Posted By: Astro14
This is going in a 9 year old Jeep, not a race car, Ferrari, or collector classic, so I would save your $$ for other things...


Don't people get it? Of course, it's not a Ferrari. But we like to treat our vehicles like they are. I'm sure everything would work out just fine if we all took out cars to JiffyLube and used bulk dino. But we don't....

Most men find satisfaction is taking care of their vehicles and mechanicals. Whether it "economically" minded or not.

I have a $2500 Nissan and a $2000 truck and I have fun mixing LG Bio-Tech, LM MOS2, and Lucas Break-In Zn additive to a mixture of 1.4 quarts of M1 0w30AFE, one quart of M1 0w20AFE, and one quart of M1 0w40. I'm not an idiot. But it seems weird to most people that this is "fun" to me. It's a hobby.

Now back to the topic.......I think T6 would be a perfect match for MOS2!! Go for it.



I honestly wonder how people who don't find this stuff fun think they fit in on these forums and why they're even here at all.

 

[Phishin]

Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012

I honestly wonder how people who don't find this stuff fun think they fit in on these forums and why they're even here at all.


Exactly....I'd like to know why I have a hard time coming to the "Oil Additive" section because it's constantly being policed by the Anti-Additive Gestapo!!??!! I'm an oil additive fan, and I like to brew my own batches per OCI, yet most of the Police on this sub-forum ruin it for me.

Here is an example the Police should take to heart: I hate Fords. HATE THEM. And I DO NOT belong to, browse, or subscribe to any Ford user forums. Why? Because I don't like Fords. So, why would I want to be "that guy" and go to a forum of Ford-Lovers and make a fool of myself by trying to rain on their parade?

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012

I honestly wonder how people who don't find this stuff fun think they fit in on these forums and why they're even here at all.


I do find this stuff fun...look at my sig...I own a few cars...and I do a lot of maintenance...

What I don't like is wasting my hard-earned $$$...I've got better things to spend them on...but it's your right to waste your money...and your right to disagree with me...

 

[Donald]

I am not an anti-additive person, but someone who wants to get good value from my vehicles and the required maint. So I have no problem paying for T6 or PU or Amsoil ATF. But I also feel these companies have done the research and are using quality additives within a reasonable cost. I do add 2 cycle oil to the diesel fuel for my pickup as my Cummins has a VP44 injector pump.

So if I found an additive that would help the engine to last longer or provide better mileage I would consider it.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012

I honestly wonder how people who don't find this stuff fun think they fit in on these forums and why they're even here at all.


I do find this stuff fun...look at my sig...I own a few cars...and I do a lot of maintenance...

What I don't like is wasting my hard-earned $$$...I've got better things to spend them on...but it's your right to waste your money...and your right to disagree with me...


I'll tell you what, you show me a list of additives I've used that didn't provide positive results and I'll admit I've wasted money. I'm not here because I use MoS2, I'm here because I'm interested in what other people have to say about it, good or bad, based on their actual experience using it. I've used MMO with good results (look for the threads, I'm not about to hijack in an attempt to validate myself to you), I've used Restore with good results, I've used things that don't even really belong in oil and also had good results. That's what this forum is about; it's not a place for people who don't use additives.

I'll tell you something else: Despite the fact that I've talked about every additive I've ever used on these forums, you'll find yourself unable to list one that did not provide positive results. That's partly due to these forums, and the experiences discussed here; I buy and use what works. I have done some experimentation on my own and I have had success with that as well. It's not random, it's based on actual knowledge and skills that I have acquired throughout my life, and this is a place for people like me to share those experiences. If you lack experience with additives, perhaps you don't belong on this forum? Stick to PCMO and we'll all be happier, I think.

 

[KCJeep]

Yes I find it "fun" too it's an easy side hobby for an otherwise very busy person.

Which leads to tinkering. I love to blend and a good additive to experiment with is mighty hard to resist.

My thought with the Rotella was it's ZDDP is only 25% or so above basic SN PCMO's, but it lacks any of the extra anti-wear additives PCMO's use in conjuction with ZDDP, so I was thinking maybe MoS2 might really thrive in it.

QS Defy has ZDDP levels closer to Rotella but it still uses 200 ppm Boron and 100 ppm Moly in it's add pack. Hmmm....

Well I know how this is going to go... I'm gonna have to try it! LOL.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: Phishin
Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012

I honestly wonder how people who don't find this stuff fun think they fit in on these forums and why they're even here at all.


Exactly....I'd like to know why I have a hard time coming to the "Oil Additive" section because it's constantly being policed by the Anti-Additive Gestapo!!??!! I'm an oil additive fan, and I like to brew my own batches per OCI, yet most of the Police on this sub-forum ruin it for me.

Here is an example the Police should take to heart: I hate Fords. HATE THEM. And I DO NOT belong to, browse, or subscribe to any Ford user forums. Why? Because I don't like Fords. So, why would I want to be "that guy" and go to a forum of Ford-Lovers and make a fool of myself by trying to rain on their parade?


Exactly. I don't understand why guys even bother typing just to be negative,but it does show their nature,and insight into their character.
Now as far as mos2 goes when I first tried t-6 I saw the weakened add pack as compared to the conventional as well as no moly so I used both in my mustang for a few runs. No ill effects,mileage didn't go down using thicker oil. In fact I had just put my 3.90s in the rear end at the same time i first tried this mix and my mileage improved over stock.
I don't care what anyone says,every engine I've used mos2 in got better on fuel,all of them. From my air compressors to generators to vehicles and bikes,all of them made less noise and better fuel economy.
Lately I haven't been using it just to see if my experiences were all in my head. Well I quit using it in my hemi 2 intervals ago and my mileage has slowly been creeping down. I've lost 3 mpg so I'm going to add a can tomorrow,just to see.
I too like to experiment. It's a hobby and gives me experience which in my world is better than reading book and regurgitating someone else's experiences.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Yes I find it "fun" too it's an easy side hobby for an otherwise very busy person.

Which leads to tinkering. I love to blend and a good additive to experiment with is mighty hard to resist.

My thought with the Rotella was it's ZDDP is only 25% or so above basic SN PCMO's, but it lacks any of the extra anti-wear additives PCMO's use in conjuction with ZDDP, so I was thinking maybe MoS2 might really thrive in it.

QS Defy has ZDDP levels closer to Rotella but it still uses 200 ppm Boron and 100 ppm Moly in it's add pack. Hmmm....

Well I know how this is going to go... I'm gonna have to try it! LOL.



Zddp is anti-wear. Moly is a friction modifier. They are different. Just clarifying.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Donald
I am not an anti-additive person, but someone who wants to get good value from my vehicles and the required maint. So I have no problem paying for T6 or PU or Amsoil ATF. But I also feel these companies have done the research and are using quality additives within a reasonable cost. I do add 2 cycle oil to the diesel fuel for my pickup as my Cummins has a VP44 injector pump.

So if I found an additive that would help the engine to last longer or provide better mileage I would consider it.


And that is what this forum is here for.

If you only ever buy new, or know beyond any doubt that the vehicle you are buying was maintained the way you (as a BITOGer) would have maintained it had you bought it new, I do believe that there's not much an additive is going to do, in 99% of cases. If you're talking about a properly maintained engine that's had the proper oil and an appropriate OCI its whole life, then as along as the correct oil is available, there should be no need for an additive. Sadly, since BITOGers are a minority group amongst drivers in general, that will be the minority of vehicles. In that light, additives do server a purpose.

Also to be considered: if you're talking about engines that were designed in a time when zinc was plentiful in most motor oils, you might just need to add some ZDDP to that Pennzoil; even T6 might not have enough for some hotrod motors. That's an additive that is guaranteed to extend the life of such motors (or the inverse, you're practically guaranteed to trash such a motor if you use a modern oil without it).

Of course, you've been here long enough to know all of this, which is why you're not in here arguing with everyone who says they've had good results with this or that additive. This post is really for the benefit of those who haven't figured it out yet.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012

I honestly wonder how people who don't find this stuff fun think they fit in on these forums and why they're even here at all.


I do find this stuff fun...look at my sig...I own a few cars...and I do a lot of maintenance...

What I don't like is wasting my hard-earned $$$...I've got better things to spend them on...but it's your right to waste your money...and your right to disagree with me...


I'll tell you what, you show me a list of additives I've used that didn't provide positive results and I'll admit I've wasted money. I'm not here because I use MoS2, I'm here because I'm interested in what other people have to say about it, good or bad, based on their actual experience using it. I've used MMO with good results (look for the threads, I'm not about to hijack in an attempt to validate myself to you), I've used Restore with good results, I've used things that don't even really belong in oil and also had good results. That's what this forum is about; it's not a place for people who don't use additives.

I'll tell you something else: Despite the fact that I've talked about every additive I've ever used on these forums, you'll find yourself unable to list one that did not provide positive results. That's partly due to these forums, and the experiences discussed here; I buy and use what works. I have done some experimentation on my own and I have had success with that as well. It's not random, it's based on actual knowledge and skills that I have acquired throughout my life, and this is a place for people like me to share those experiences. If you lack experience with additives, perhaps you don't belong on this forum? Stick to PCMO and we'll all be happier, I think.


Here's the point: the OP has an engine with easy requirements, they're common, not exotic. He's chosen an oil that greatly exceeds those requirements. Making a mix that exceeds those requirements even more does not improve the longevity of his engine, nor the condition of his wallet...

You assume a lot about me - I have quite a bit of experience with additives, but I don't see the benefit in the OP's engine....knowing when additives are appropriate, and when they're not, is part of the additive discussion.

I know that it's hard for you to accept any opinion that differs from yours, and in fact, you already mentioned that you were not open to differences in opinion...but that's your loss...not mine...just don't make it the OP's loss too...

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
I know that it's hard for you to accept any opinion that differs from yours,

On the contrary, I routinely accept opinions that differ from my own. That is how I learn and grow as a person.

Originally Posted By: Astro14
and in fact, you already mentioned that you were not open to differences in opinion...

Quote please?

MoS2 isn't something I have experience with, which is why I haven't given an opinion on that particular subject. That said, I do run T6 and it is, indeed, a fine oil, which is also why I haven't suggested that OP add anything to it. Where have our opinions differed thus far?

Several here have reported an increase in fuel economy when using MoS2. While that may have little to no bearing on engine longevity, I think that it is also worth not overlooking.

 

[skyship]

I've studied a lot of UOA results where Moly was used and in general terms it does help improve the wear metal figures of cheap supermarket standard conventional oils. If you add it to a good quality oil that has an add pack that is already fairly full it makes no difference to the figures and if you add it to a top quality G4 synthetic I have seen it result in a nasty increase in the insolubles figure.
I would bear in mind that none of the oil additive companies test their products for possible adverse reactions with the different additives used in modern oils, partly because there are too many different oils on sale and because it is expensive to conduct such tests. Oil additives have no defined approval standars of any sort and if one causes your engine a problem there is no chance of you making a legal claim against the manufacturer.
Rotella T6 has Moly and Boron in it, but some of the other versions are different.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Yes I find it "fun" too it's an easy side hobby for an otherwise very busy person.

Which leads to tinkering. I love to blend and a good additive to experiment with is mighty hard to resist.

My thought with the Rotella was it's ZDDP is only 25% or so above basic SN PCMO's, but it lacks any of the extra anti-wear additives PCMO's use in conjuction with ZDDP, so I was thinking maybe MoS2 might really thrive in it.

QS Defy has ZDDP levels closer to Rotella but it still uses 200 ppm Boron and 100 ppm Moly in it's add pack. Hmmm....

Well I know how this is going to go... I'm gonna have to try it! LOL.



You're going into this knowing that the oil you're using is sufficient and that you're unlikely to see any benefit from the MoS2; you also know that it won't hurt anything. You're doing this not to "save money" or "extend the longevity of the motor", but to give yourself something to do. You already know what to expect, and hey, if you do happen to stumble across something great, all the better, right?

If I'm wrong about any of the above, then perhaps you should reconsider how you're spending your money (I say "perhaps" because far be it for me to tell one how to spend their own money, like some here would try to do). However, if I am correct and you are doing this as a form of (safe and relatively inexpensive) entertainment, ignore the naysayers, add the MoS2, and enjoy yourself.

We (well, some of us, at least) appreciate hearing about this type of experimentation just as much as we appreciate conducting our own experiments.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: skyship
Oil additives require no approvals of any sort

and neither do motor oils. Those certifications are voluntary, no oil meets all of them, and there are a number of oils on the market that meet none of them.

 

[Donald]

The OP should worry most about piston skirt damage rather than how much ZDDP is in the oil!

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Donald
The OP should worry most about piston skirt damage rather than how much ZDDP is in the oil!


Would MoS2 affect this? I haven't read anything about MoS2 causing skirt damage. If there is any evidence of this, please point me to it. I'm not arguing, I'm genuinely interested to know, as MoS2 is one of those things I have not researched in depth.