Rod knock/bearing replacement?

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Originally Posted by stooks
Popped off all the caps, all 6 rod bearings are smooth as glass with no visible wear or damage. I have not checked the mains yet.

As I was spinning the crank, I noticed this spot that didn’t look right.
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What did the crank / rod journals look like ?

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Crankshaft/journals were highly polished with no evidence of any wear or damage. Every surface I have opened up, I can't imagine having a better looking surface.

I will be cracking open the mains tomorrow. To check them. If everything looks good, I will retorque everything and put it back together. Talked to a mechanic today and he told me he had one come through that just had a Gunked up pickup tube that was causing a drop in pressure and a knock.

Mine was pretty gunky, so I will clean that out good and cross my fingers and refill with oil and a new filter. Over three days I've had a total of less then a minute and a half of knocking out of 4-5 hours of driving.

If it keeps knocking, I guess it's time for a new motor🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸
 
Clean the screen and do a real oil pressure test, replacing the oil pump isn't that big a deal and certainly not worth finishing off the engine for.
 
RockAuto carries the Aisin pump for these engines, it just has the word TOYOTA ground off. I'm not sure if it's part of the timing cover assembly. I know it's a separate piece on the earlier MZ engines.

Since you have the oil pan dropped and the mains split open, it might be worth rolling in new main and rod bearings.

/edit: they don't have an Aisin pump available for this engine. The Aisin one is sold only as part of the cover which includes the water pump as well. And it's a bit touchy to seal - you need at least a full tube of Toyota FIPG or Permatex Ultra Gray and anaerobic Loctite 563 for certain parts. Toyota had a TSB for the V6 RAV4s leaking oil and it was a complicated procedure to reseal it.
 
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With that area being shiny and the engine having a ton of miles I would expect that area not to be that shiny if it was weight ground off for balancing. It would have some sort of light varnish.
 
Originally Posted by StevieC
With that area being shiny and the engine having a ton of miles I would expect that area not to be that shiny if it was weight ground off for balancing. It would have some sort of light varnish.


Look at it closer. It is angled away from the main bearing cap and block and the OP said there is nothing it can come in contact with. I have to believe the OP knows what he is looking at so there is really no other logical explanation. An easy way to prove it would be to mark the area with blue or even the wife's finger nail polish and rotate the engine, color stays there is no contact. End of story.
The counter weight to the left of it looks pretty shiny too with no varnish on it.
 
Yeah, if anything were able to make THAT much contact with that part, I don't think thre'd be much engine left. At least, if there was, the issue would be obvious without even dropping the oil pan.
 
You need to roll the upper rod bearing out that is where the wear will be. The lower mains are also the ones that carry the majority load of the crank. Looking at the lower rod bearings is not good enough.

I didn't see anywhere if you checked the crank thrust. Use a screwdriver to force the crank forward and aft and measure the thrust.
 
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Originally Posted by stooks
I've got a2008 toyota sienna, 205k, that developed what I was told was a rod knock. It was not ran with low/no oil. The sound is intermittent, particularly prominent with a mid range load on the engine. When the knocking was very loud the oil light flickered on the dash(oil was full) It is loud, but has been driven very little with the noise. A trusted mechanic friend told me that the engine needed to be replaced (he told me he was too busy to do it).

While hunting around for a cheap replacement motor; I came across videos and discussion of just replacing the rod bearings as a stopgap measure. I though it might be worth it to save $2k on the replacement. I got the upper and lower oil pan off tonight, and none of the rod ends are loose. They all have a limited amount of play side to side (maybe .005"), but are tight in up/down movement.
The oil pickup tube in the pan was pretty gunked up on the bottom.

Other then that the pan, and associated parts were surprisingly clean with that many miles on it.

Was this wrongly diagnosed? Are all the bearings bad? Any other ideas?




A blocked oil pick up could cause all your issues. I'd give that a first class cleaning, and see if the problem goes away.

Not saying it couldn't be the bearings or other, but I've heard engines that sound like that when starved of oil. Good thing it hasn't been driven much.
 
Are these Toyota engines known to sludge/clog oil pickups? If not I would consider a more conservative OCI or perhaps better oil/filter to avoid sludge clogging the oil pickup to begin with. 205K is usually young for a toyota engine.
 
Turns out it was simply the oil pickup. I checked all the bearings, everything was solid, cleaned everything that even looked gunky, including the pickup tube. Reassembled, works perfectly now. I think the saving grace was that there was so little actual time knocking that it resulted in no discernible damage.

The older Toyota v6's specifically the 3.0 had sludge problems, it is supposed to be fixed in newer engines though. As far as OCI i follow the Toyota recommendations. I bought the van with 150k on it, my guess is problems stemmed from earlier owner. The good news is I can drop the pan in 15 minutes during an oil change now and can see if there is any further buildup on the pickup some time in the future.

Thanks for the help everyone!
 
Originally Posted by stooks
Turns out it was simply the oil pickup. I checked all the bearings, everything was solid, cleaned everything that even looked gunky, including the pickup tube. Reassembled, works perfectly now. I think the saving grace was that there was so little actual time knocking that it resulted in no discernible damage.

The older Toyota v6's specifically the 3.0 had sludge problems, it is supposed to be fixed in newer engines though. As far as OCI i follow the Toyota recommendations. I bought the van with 150k on it, my guess is problems stemmed from earlier owner. The good news is I can drop the pan in 15 minutes during an oil change now and can see if there is any further buildup on the pickup some time in the future.

Thanks for the help everyone!


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Hopefully you've got some quality synthetic in there now....
 
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