http://www.renewablelube.com/products/pdf/Bio-Synthetic SHP SAE 0W20 PCMO.pdf
Anyone using Renewable Lubricant's 0w20?
Anyone using Renewable Lubricant's 0w20?
RLI- 0w20?
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Everybody knows that I am using it.
Dr. Haas, i guess you will need to forgive me along with Buster as I guess I haven't been here either but are you running this in the Ferrari or Lambo? What intervals are you doing? What are your thoughts and impressions of it?
Thanks for yout time.
Thanks for yout time.
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"Biobased Lubricants that Perform Like Synthetics"
Considering it is ~70% PAO it should perform like synthetic...
"Biobased Lubricants that Perform Like Synthetics"
Considering it is ~70% PAO it should perform like synthetic...
I am using it on the recommendation of Terry Dyson and after speaking to William Garmier and others at RLI. I also read several papers on the stuff. It's greatest advantage from my stand point is that it is the least thick oil for its grade at room temperature, at start up for me. It has high temperature properties as oils a grade thicker or two, similar to Red line oils. It supposedly handles fuel dilution, often a problem in high end sports cars, better than other oils. I like the biodegradability as well.
It is in the Lamborghini instead of going with the Red Line 5W20 that was there before. The RLI 0W30 is in the Enzo instead of the Castrol GC 0W30 or the OEM 10W60 Shell Helix.
The RLI has a relatively high density, a number I have been studying. I cannot find the original sources but know that I have papers showing that density is important in terms of the separation of parts at extreme pressure.
I would use it in my other cars but need to get rid of a few cases of GC first.
aehaas
It is in the Lamborghini instead of going with the Red Line 5W20 that was there before. The RLI 0W30 is in the Enzo instead of the Castrol GC 0W30 or the OEM 10W60 Shell Helix.
The RLI has a relatively high density, a number I have been studying. I cannot find the original sources but know that I have papers showing that density is important in terms of the separation of parts at extreme pressure.
I would use it in my other cars but need to get rid of a few cases of GC first.
aehaas
The synthetic ratios vary. The biodegradability is interesting. Let us take a 50-50 combination of vegetable oil and the synthetic oil. Say the vegetable oil is 90 percent degradable and the PAO / ester is only 10 percent degradable. One would think the combination was 50 percent biodegradable, 50 x .90 plus 50 x .10 = 50. In actuality the combination is 70 percent biodegradable. We often think that an oil product functions as what each additive does separately. The actual performance may be quite different when components are combined. This is why these oil formulations are secrets and closely guarded.
After around 1,000 miles I will get the oils in the Ferrari and Lamborghini analyzed.
aehaas
After around 1,000 miles I will get the oils in the Ferrari and Lamborghini analyzed.
aehaas
what effect if any for ZDDP and Antimony?
bruce
bruce
'Do not know.
as for bio degradability the paper I read from Chevron Phillips on Bio PAO/seed oils was done as I remember with no metallic additives.
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It appears the papers, and regulations, use two separate terms:
biodegradability and toxicity. A PAO/HOBs blend can be considered biodegradable, yet it's additive chemistry could still be considered to be ecotoxic due to it's combustion product emissions and aquatic toxicity.
biodegradability and toxicity. A PAO/HOBs blend can be considered biodegradable, yet it's additive chemistry could still be considered to be ecotoxic due to it's combustion product emissions and aquatic toxicity.
sounds to me that as a "used" oil this would not be "bio degradable" .
Products I Make at work that are HOBO >95% are sold as bio degradable BUT upon use/contamination that designation becomes very cloudy
bruce
Products I Make at work that are HOBO >95% are sold as bio degradable BUT upon use/contamination that designation becomes very cloudy
bruce
As Bruce alludes to there are simply not enough studies to let us know what is actually happening in these HOBS based oils. It is a shame because the few studies I have seen are promising.
The problem may be that there is simply not enough vegetable oil to go around for the actual amount of motor oil consumed. Why study something so rare while the benefits exist but are marginal?
aehaas
The problem may be that there is simply not enough vegetable oil to go around for the actual amount of motor oil consumed. Why study something so rare while the benefits exist but are marginal?
aehaas
My point so to me to advertise it as Bio degradable infers you can hap hazard dump it IMHO that is not a good reasoning
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Hey Bruce, is it possible to make a completely non-metallic additicve package for PCMO's?
I knew that they had some pretty exotic packages out there already, but didn't realize that it could be done to the full extent. Fuchs Titan GT1 0w20 comes to mind, but IIRC, unless you buy it from Singapore or some place like that, it's still not available yet in the U.S.
I knew that they had some pretty exotic packages out there already, but didn't realize that it could be done to the full extent. Fuchs Titan GT1 0w20 comes to mind, but IIRC, unless you buy it from Singapore or some place like that, it's still not available yet in the U.S.
Yes but high dollar
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