Report: Toyota Repairs No Fix for Problems
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Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
I'd say most around here thought that the "quickie fix" was nothing more than a smoke screen.
As a rule, you generally dont have an ongoing problem and then suddenly come up with a fix in a weeks time. This is the worst news Toy could have at this point. If the "fix" is in fact a dud, then consumer confidence in Toyota will tank.
As a rule, you generally dont have an ongoing problem and then suddenly come up with a fix in a weeks time. This is the worst news Toy could have at this point. If the "fix" is in fact a dud, then consumer confidence in Toyota will tank.
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Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Exactly. Does EVERYTHING on a car have to be run by a computer?
John
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Exactly. Does EVERYTHING on a car have to be run by a computer?
John
I said early on they were not going find a fix first time around. These cars will be in and out for a fix, until someone is 100% certain of the problem.
Well,C-Ya Toyota. It was nice Knowing Ya.
I find no joy in Toyota's problems. At this time I don't see how anyone could buy their cars with this hanging over their heads. This problem will get much worse before it gets better. I feel for the folks who own them because of the uncertainty and nature of the problem, and the workers who build them in the US as their jobs may be on the line here.
Originally Posted By: John_K
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Exactly. Does EVERYTHING on a car have to be run by a computer?
John
The mass consumers love computers in their cars read the posts here. I hate computers in cars.
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Exactly. Does EVERYTHING on a car have to be run by a computer?
John
The mass consumers love computers in their cars read the posts here. I hate computers in cars.
Originally Posted By: tig1
I find no joy in Toyota's problems. At this time I don't see how anyone could buy their cars with this hanging over their heads. This problem will get much worse before it gets better. I feel for the folks who own them because of the uncertainty and nature of the problem, and the workers who build them in the US as their jobs may be on the line here.
Maybe the taxpayers will bail out another poorly run corp.
I find no joy in Toyota's problems. At this time I don't see how anyone could buy their cars with this hanging over their heads. This problem will get much worse before it gets better. I feel for the folks who own them because of the uncertainty and nature of the problem, and the workers who build them in the US as their jobs may be on the line here.
Maybe the taxpayers will bail out another poorly run corp.
Originally Posted By: John_K
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Exactly. Does EVERYTHING on a car have to be run by a computer?
John
It makes it easier to implement stability control, which is going to be mandated in 2011
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Exactly. Does EVERYTHING on a car have to be run by a computer?
John
It makes it easier to implement stability control, which is going to be mandated in 2011
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Originally Posted By: rjundi
Maybe consult other automakers who have had no faults with their designs.
Exactly, most manufacturers reverse-engineer competitors' designs to understand what the competition is doing. I do this routinely with our product in my work.
Maybe consult other automakers who have had no faults with their designs.
Exactly, most manufacturers reverse-engineer competitors' designs to understand what the competition is doing. I do this routinely with our product in my work.
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Maybe consult other automakers who have had no faults with their designs.
Exactly, most manufacturers reverse-engineer competitors' designs to understand what the competition is doing. I do this routinely with our product in my work.
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If these faults are indeed because of the DBW system, they will be the first AFAIK. Electronic throttles have been in use for over a decade with no issues like this, and they have all had failsafes specifically designed to prevent problems like Toyota is having.
If Toyota is having problems with their DBW system, they are Toyota problems, not DBW problems.
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Maybe consult other automakers who have had no faults with their designs.
Exactly, most manufacturers reverse-engineer competitors' designs to understand what the competition is doing. I do this routinely with our product in my work.
+2
If these faults are indeed because of the DBW system, they will be the first AFAIK. Electronic throttles have been in use for over a decade with no issues like this, and they have all had failsafes specifically designed to prevent problems like Toyota is having.
If Toyota is having problems with their DBW system, they are Toyota problems, not DBW problems.
I'm puzzled by these public-relations type Toyota ads on TV. Looks like that would be something to do "after" the problem has been corrected. Having a person on TV telling me of their loyalty to the brand, while the problem persists, is a total waste of money.
These commercials target the Sheeple that believe what they are told by corporations. These individuals don't spend any considerable time, if any, researching the truth. These are the same Sheeple that believed Toyota was God.
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Maybe consult other automakers who have had no faults with their designs.
I don't think there are any other automakers that have had no faults with their design. I read an article when the whole Toyota craziness started, and the NHTSA reported it has received complaints of "unintended acceleration" for just about every drive-by-wire manufacturer, including Ford and Honda. Toyota just happens to be the one that caught the public eye. Look at GM, they are blaming Toyota for their recalls!
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Maybe consult other automakers who have had no faults with their designs.
I don't think there are any other automakers that have had no faults with their design. I read an article when the whole Toyota craziness started, and the NHTSA reported it has received complaints of "unintended acceleration" for just about every drive-by-wire manufacturer, including Ford and Honda. Toyota just happens to be the one that caught the public eye. Look at GM, they are blaming Toyota for their recalls!
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Originally Posted By: John_K
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Exactly. Does EVERYTHING on a car have to be run by a computer?
John
It does if you want to please the EPA and the NHTSA. They're the ones mandating all the "fixes" for autos. Crash safety, emissions, recycleability, fuel mileage, etc.
Blame it on Big Brother if you must....
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Im saying again the only fix will be to go back to the original throttle body design and get rid of that [censored] drive my wire.
Exactly. Does EVERYTHING on a car have to be run by a computer?
John
It does if you want to please the EPA and the NHTSA. They're the ones mandating all the "fixes" for autos. Crash safety, emissions, recycleability, fuel mileage, etc.
Blame it on Big Brother if you must....
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Maybe consult other automakers who have had no faults with their designs.
Exactly, most manufacturers reverse-engineer competitors' designs to understand what the competition is doing. I do this routinely with our product in my work.
+2
If these faults are indeed because of the DBW system, they will be the first AFAIK. Electronic throttles have been in use for over a decade with no issues like this, and they have all had failsafes specifically designed to prevent problems like Toyota is having.
If Toyota is having problems with their DBW system, they are Toyota problems, not DBW problems.
+3 The problem seems to be limited to Toyota products.
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Maybe consult other automakers who have had no faults with their designs.
Exactly, most manufacturers reverse-engineer competitors' designs to understand what the competition is doing. I do this routinely with our product in my work.
+2
If these faults are indeed because of the DBW system, they will be the first AFAIK. Electronic throttles have been in use for over a decade with no issues like this, and they have all had failsafes specifically designed to prevent problems like Toyota is having.
If Toyota is having problems with their DBW system, they are Toyota problems, not DBW problems.
+3 The problem seems to be limited to Toyota products.
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