topsy turvy for a few brands, compared to the situation in the US?
Reliability in the first 3 years - Europe
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topsy turvy for a few brands, compared to the situation in the US?
This is nothing but a cute drawing without stating what kind of "problems" they are referring to.
Does a burned light bulb or blown fuse equal a ECU or blown engine with a con rod hanging from the engine block?
As for Skoda being top dog...please...who's paying for that statistic? Doesn't the 1.6 petrol engine has a "normal" oil consumption of 1.5 L every 5000Km?
Does a burned light bulb or blown fuse equal a ECU or blown engine with a con rod hanging from the engine block?
As for Skoda being top dog...please...who's paying for that statistic? Doesn't the 1.6 petrol engine has a "normal" oil consumption of 1.5 L every 5000Km?
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
I would say this should be right. I thought that KIA and Hyundai were technical twins?
Yes they are....at least here in EU
i30 = Ceed
Tucson = Sportage
i10 = Picanto
i20 = Venga
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i30 = Ceed
Tucson = Sportage
i10 = Picanto
i20 = Venga
.....
Strange Peugeot are more reliable than Citroën...
Originally Posted By: Andy636
This is nothing but a cute drawing without stating what kind of "problems" they are referring to.
Does a burned light bulb or blown fuse equal a ECU or blown engine with a con rod hanging from the engine block?
As for Skoda being top dog...please...who's paying for that statistic? Doesn't the 1.6 petrol engine has a "normal" oil consumption of 1.5 L every 5000Km?
Someone who lacks the mental capacity to operate a touch screen radio (and then complains about it) is the same as significant electronic or mechanical failure.
This is nothing but a cute drawing without stating what kind of "problems" they are referring to.
Does a burned light bulb or blown fuse equal a ECU or blown engine with a con rod hanging from the engine block?
As for Skoda being top dog...please...who's paying for that statistic? Doesn't the 1.6 petrol engine has a "normal" oil consumption of 1.5 L every 5000Km?
Someone who lacks the mental capacity to operate a touch screen radio (and then complains about it) is the same as significant electronic or mechanical failure.
Okay folks, cars in Europe are different than in the U.S. and Canada. You can get a Kia Soul with a DIESEL engine in the U.K. rated at 49 highway with a trailer towing spec of 2866 pounds on a braked trailer.
And you can buy a new Ford Ranger in Europe but not here.
And you can buy a new Ford Ranger in Europe but not here.
European market is a totally different animal than here. The beloved in NA Toyota and Honda are nothing but small town game. The land is ruled by VW, Renault, Fiat, BMW, Peugeot and other European brands. They are as reliable as anything here.
So why such a huge difference between Europe and NA in reliability? Simple, the European models we get here, even in the lowest trim levels, are oftentimes way above the low trim level in Europe. For example, you can get a Mercedes E class with a little diesel 4 cylinder engine, cloth seats, power windows and AC, that's about it. It will be a lot more reliable than a "stripper" E class we get in NA.
So why such a huge difference between Europe and NA in reliability? Simple, the European models we get here, even in the lowest trim levels, are oftentimes way above the low trim level in Europe. For example, you can get a Mercedes E class with a little diesel 4 cylinder engine, cloth seats, power windows and AC, that's about it. It will be a lot more reliable than a "stripper" E class we get in NA.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
For example, you can get a Mercedes E class with a little diesel 4 cylinder engine, cloth seats, power windows and AC, that's about it. It will be a lot more reliable than a "stripper" E class we get in NA.
But if you look at that chart, MB in Europe is actually one of the least reliable.
On the other hand, on the US version of this chart, MB sits much higher, IIRC.
For example, you can get a Mercedes E class with a little diesel 4 cylinder engine, cloth seats, power windows and AC, that's about it. It will be a lot more reliable than a "stripper" E class we get in NA.
But if you look at that chart, MB in Europe is actually one of the least reliable.
On the other hand, on the US version of this chart, MB sits much higher, IIRC.
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
Exactly my thought....It's also interesting that Skoda and VW are so far apart when Skoda uses VW mechanicals. Could it be that Czechs assemble the product better?
PS: I rented a Skoda Octavia a few years ago and it was an awesome vehicle.
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
Exactly my thought....It's also interesting that Skoda and VW are so far apart when Skoda uses VW mechanicals. Could it be that Czechs assemble the product better?
PS: I rented a Skoda Octavia a few years ago and it was an awesome vehicle.
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
Exactly my thought....It's also interesting that Skoda and VW are so far apart when Skoda uses VW mechanicals. Could it be that Czechs assemble the product better?
PS: I rented a Skoda Octavia a few years ago and it was an awesome vehicle.
Well in VAG concern ( Skoda VW Audi Seat) there is a little different story
Audi get best parts and latest technology and is therefore premium car/mark.....while VW Škoda etc gets class 2 mechanical parts....they are technically the same but lets say....clutch for Audi has better materials in it then the same clutch for Skoda
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
Exactly my thought....It's also interesting that Skoda and VW are so far apart when Skoda uses VW mechanicals. Could it be that Czechs assemble the product better?
PS: I rented a Skoda Octavia a few years ago and it was an awesome vehicle.
Well in VAG concern ( Skoda VW Audi Seat) there is a little different story
Audi get best parts and latest technology and is therefore premium car/mark.....while VW Škoda etc gets class 2 mechanical parts....they are technically the same but lets say....clutch for Audi has better materials in it then the same clutch for Skoda
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
plants are not the same, often different countries even.
and if you sell proprtionally more of the more reliable types under the kia brand, it can easily pull ahead.
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
plants are not the same, often different countries even.
and if you sell proprtionally more of the more reliable types under the kia brand, it can easily pull ahead.
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
Exactly my thought....It's also interesting that Skoda and VW are so far apart when Skoda uses VW mechanicals. Could it be that Czechs assemble the product better?
PS: I rented a Skoda Octavia a few years ago and it was an awesome vehicle.
Well in VAG concern ( Skoda VW Audi Seat) there is a little different story
Audi get best parts and latest technology and is therefore premium car/mark.....while VW Škoda etc gets class 2 mechanical parts....they are technically the same but lets say....clutch for Audi has better materials in it then the same clutch for Skoda
I really doubt you are right on that one. If the VAG group makes an order for a clutch or a flywheel. At let's say LUK or Sachs. Those will be made in the same quality, and will be shipped to the same engine plant where engines for all VAG cars are made. Also if you buy a vw OEM part here in Denmark. It is often stamped with all the VAG manufacturers name.
It is not that i like VAG cars myself. I personally think it is overpriced garbage sold to people who buys the " German quality" sales [censored]. I would chose any Japanese or even French engine any day.
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
Exactly my thought....It's also interesting that Skoda and VW are so far apart when Skoda uses VW mechanicals. Could it be that Czechs assemble the product better?
PS: I rented a Skoda Octavia a few years ago and it was an awesome vehicle.
Well in VAG concern ( Skoda VW Audi Seat) there is a little different story
Audi get best parts and latest technology and is therefore premium car/mark.....while VW Škoda etc gets class 2 mechanical parts....they are technically the same but lets say....clutch for Audi has better materials in it then the same clutch for Skoda
I really doubt you are right on that one. If the VAG group makes an order for a clutch or a flywheel. At let's say LUK or Sachs. Those will be made in the same quality, and will be shipped to the same engine plant where engines for all VAG cars are made. Also if you buy a vw OEM part here in Denmark. It is often stamped with all the VAG manufacturers name.
It is not that i like VAG cars myself. I personally think it is overpriced garbage sold to people who buys the " German quality" sales [censored]. I would chose any Japanese or even French engine any day.
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
Exactly my thought....It's also interesting that Skoda and VW are so far apart when Skoda uses VW mechanicals. Could it be that Czechs assemble the product better?
PS: I rented a Skoda Octavia a few years ago and it was an awesome vehicle.
less standard equipment on skodas? and they don't offer the big vehicles, say phaeton/A8 or Q7/Q5/(whatever the audi eq is).
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Interesting that KIA and Hyundai are so far apart.....although technically the same.....
Exactly my thought....It's also interesting that Skoda and VW are so far apart when Skoda uses VW mechanicals. Could it be that Czechs assemble the product better?
PS: I rented a Skoda Octavia a few years ago and it was an awesome vehicle.
less standard equipment on skodas? and they don't offer the big vehicles, say phaeton/A8 or Q7/Q5/(whatever the audi eq is).
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
Okay folks, cars in Europe are different than in the U.S. and Canada. You can get a Kia Soul with a DIESEL engine in the U.K. rated at 49 highway with a trailer towing spec of 2866 pounds on a braked trailer.
And you can buy a new Ford Ranger in Europe but not here.
That is a kia soul I'd buy!
Okay folks, cars in Europe are different than in the U.S. and Canada. You can get a Kia Soul with a DIESEL engine in the U.K. rated at 49 highway with a trailer towing spec of 2866 pounds on a braked trailer.
And you can buy a new Ford Ranger in Europe but not here.
That is a kia soul I'd buy!
Glad to see range rover holding on to last place
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
For example, you can get a Mercedes E class with a little diesel 4 cylinder engine, cloth seats, power windows and AC, that's about it. It will be a lot more reliable than a "stripper" E class we get in NA.
But if you look at that chart, MB in Europe is actually one of the least reliable.
On the other hand, on the US version of this chart, MB sits much higher, IIRC.
It's just an example of what options are available in Europe even on the premium models. Perhaps in Mercedes' case not too many people choose the basic trims IDK. But I would like to think that the availability of more basic trim levels would contribute to better overall reliability rating. It would probably hold more true for the economy level brands like VW, Renault, Skoda etc.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
For example, you can get a Mercedes E class with a little diesel 4 cylinder engine, cloth seats, power windows and AC, that's about it. It will be a lot more reliable than a "stripper" E class we get in NA.
But if you look at that chart, MB in Europe is actually one of the least reliable.
On the other hand, on the US version of this chart, MB sits much higher, IIRC.
It's just an example of what options are available in Europe even on the premium models. Perhaps in Mercedes' case not too many people choose the basic trims IDK. But I would like to think that the availability of more basic trim levels would contribute to better overall reliability rating. It would probably hold more true for the economy level brands like VW, Renault, Skoda etc.
I used to drive many French and German cars back in Europe. They are NOT reliable at all.
I remember that in 2010 I bought Renault Megane diesel, and had to replace the turbocharger three times, left headlight twice, flywheel once in three years. I had put about 82k kms and sold it. I wasn't abusing it, changed oil every 10k kms. All covered by the warranty though, but every time I had to leave the car for few days, which is a huge PITA.
Even though it was fun to drive, lesson learned the hard way.
I am not a fan of VW, but if I really have to drive one, I would buy Skoda or Seat instead.
I remember that in 2010 I bought Renault Megane diesel, and had to replace the turbocharger three times, left headlight twice, flywheel once in three years. I had put about 82k kms and sold it. I wasn't abusing it, changed oil every 10k kms. All covered by the warranty though, but every time I had to leave the car for few days, which is a huge PITA.
Even though it was fun to drive, lesson learned the hard way.
I am not a fan of VW, but if I really have to drive one, I would buy Skoda or Seat instead.
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