Both treat 20gals. Regane HM is 6oz vs Redline's 15oz. Can I assume the Regane has a higher concentration of PEA?
Regane HM vs Redline Sl-1
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Not necessarily, but I would assume so. You can probably find some product data sheets or MSDS for each and compare.
But so what? They both treat 20 gallons, as you pointed out, so if they are equally effective at their prescribed dosing, it comes down to cost per treatment (not per ounce).
The Redline probably has a lower concentration of PEA per ounce of product because it is also meant for maintenance dosing and it is probably easier to measure with a lower concentration/higher volume. I would assume that they designed the product and then diluted it with the carrier fluid to get their desired treat rate.
But so what? They both treat 20 gallons, as you pointed out, so if they are equally effective at their prescribed dosing, it comes down to cost per treatment (not per ounce).
The Redline probably has a lower concentration of PEA per ounce of product because it is also meant for maintenance dosing and it is probably easier to measure with a lower concentration/higher volume. I would assume that they designed the product and then diluted it with the carrier fluid to get their desired treat rate.
No. Red LIne SI-1 is one of a few aftermarket fuel treatments where the MSDS says how much PEA is in there - between 30-50% (by weight I think). Even a Top Tier certified pump fuel detergent might be about 6% PEA (I saw an example one place) at a "treatment rate" of 1:2700.
However, not all PEA is the same. Maybe Red Line doesn't have the resources others have to properly formulate a product and just bought less effective PEA? Or maybe they just sell it at a better price than other companies.
BTW - I did a check for the MSDS of the Regane stuff, and Gumout apparently is now owned by a different company than SOPUS.
The MSDS for Regane HM only says there's 0.10-1% naptha. I guess anything else is just a trade secret.
However, not all PEA is the same. Maybe Red Line doesn't have the resources others have to properly formulate a product and just bought less effective PEA? Or maybe they just sell it at a better price than other companies.
BTW - I did a check for the MSDS of the Regane stuff, and Gumout apparently is now owned by a different company than SOPUS.
The MSDS for Regane HM only says there's 0.10-1% naptha. I guess anything else is just a trade secret.
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Not necessarily, but I would assume so. You can probably find some product data sheets or MSDS for each and compare.
But so what? They both treat 20 gallons, as you pointed out, so if they are equally effective at their prescribed dosing, it comes down to cost per treatment (not per ounce).
The Redline probably has a lower concentration of PEA per ounce of product because it is also meant for maintenance dosing and it is probably easier to measure with a lower concentration/higher volume. I would assume that they designed the product and then diluted it with the carrier fluid to get their desired treat rate.
It's been well established that Red Line SI-1 states the amount of PEA they use on their MSDS. It's a lot. Some feel it's possibly the best value on the market because it's a massive amount.
Not necessarily, but I would assume so. You can probably find some product data sheets or MSDS for each and compare.
But so what? They both treat 20 gallons, as you pointed out, so if they are equally effective at their prescribed dosing, it comes down to cost per treatment (not per ounce).
The Redline probably has a lower concentration of PEA per ounce of product because it is also meant for maintenance dosing and it is probably easier to measure with a lower concentration/higher volume. I would assume that they designed the product and then diluted it with the carrier fluid to get their desired treat rate.
It's been well established that Red Line SI-1 states the amount of PEA they use on their MSDS. It's a lot. Some feel it's possibly the best value on the market because it's a massive amount.
The good news about PEA based fuel system cleaners is that you can trust their dosage instructions.
So forget about 6oz vs 15oz and go by treat volume and price.
Typically that means that Gumout is the best bang for your buck.
Two additional bits of information:
1) Gumout All In One has PEA and is usually the best value for money. Check out the current promos at the Gumout site.
2) I used multiple bottles of Techron and Gumout to clean a neglected system and I still found I needed a fuel system service to remove something that was causing noise. The $20 service at Walmart took care of this last bit of cleaning for me.
So forget about 6oz vs 15oz and go by treat volume and price.
Typically that means that Gumout is the best bang for your buck.
Two additional bits of information:
1) Gumout All In One has PEA and is usually the best value for money. Check out the current promos at the Gumout site.
2) I used multiple bottles of Techron and Gumout to clean a neglected system and I still found I needed a fuel system service to remove something that was causing noise. The $20 service at Walmart took care of this last bit of cleaning for me.
I have used Redline many times in different applications and it seems to work very well.
The last time I used it was 3-4 months months ago in a 90 Jaguar XJS and it seemed to have cleaned up the fuel system... It ran very sluggish until I used it in two consecutive tanks of gas and since then, the car has run fantastic.
The last time I used it was 3-4 months months ago in a 90 Jaguar XJS and it seemed to have cleaned up the fuel system... It ran very sluggish until I used it in two consecutive tanks of gas and since then, the car has run fantastic.
Originally Posted By: mikered30
3M Max Strength Fuel System Cleaner also has a high percentage of PEA, 30-60% by weight.
My local NAPA has it. Might have to try it.($14.99)
3M Max Strength Fuel System Cleaner also has a high percentage of PEA, 30-60% by weight.
My local NAPA has it. Might have to try it.($14.99)
I usually run Shell and noticed what sounded like a valve tap at 30k miles. I did a search and found someone recommending Gumout Regane. His explanation was the noise was coming from my fuel injectors. It was easy enough to try out. After a 65 mile round trip to work, the next morning I noticed the valve tap noise had disappeared. Apparently even top tier fuels gum up if they contain ethanol, like most out here.
I now use Gumout Regane or All in One treatments every 3-4K miles. The fuel injector noise has not re-appeared.
I now use Gumout Regane or All in One treatments every 3-4K miles. The fuel injector noise has not re-appeared.
Originally Posted By: Keith_Stone
Originally Posted By: mikered30
3M Max Strength Fuel System Cleaner also has a high percentage of PEA, 30-60% by weight.
My local NAPA has it. Might have to try it.($14.99)
Ouch, Amazon has it for just over $10 with free shipping on orders over $35, if you ever place an order on there.
Originally Posted By: mikered30
3M Max Strength Fuel System Cleaner also has a high percentage of PEA, 30-60% by weight.
My local NAPA has it. Might have to try it.($14.99)
Ouch, Amazon has it for just over $10 with free shipping on orders over $35, if you ever place an order on there.
Good point. I'm considering "Prime".
So the Gumout is supposed to be used every 3-4k miles?
Redline is maintenance dose so we have to put 1-2 ounce everytime we fill up?
How about the STP fuel system cleaner? How is it when compared to the Gumout?
Is the Gumout Complete fuel system cleaner the best Gumout cleaner they have? There's like the Gumout all in one cleaner and gumout fuel system cleaner?
Redline is maintenance dose so we have to put 1-2 ounce everytime we fill up?
How about the STP fuel system cleaner? How is it when compared to the Gumout?
Is the Gumout Complete fuel system cleaner the best Gumout cleaner they have? There's like the Gumout all in one cleaner and gumout fuel system cleaner?
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Correct on the Gumout frequency. You can also use it less frequently if you use quality gas. Some use it in the last tank before an oil change, so once every 5-7k miles.
The Redline can be used at treatment and/or maintenance doses.
Stick with a PEA based cleaner, which STP is not, AFAIK. Your best bets are Techron Concentrate (not the "Fuel Injector Cleaner, as it is not as strong), Gumout (Regane, Regane High Mileage, or All-In-One), Redline SI-1, 3M, or Royal Purple.
Gumout's PEA based products in order of weakest to strongest are: Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout Regane High Mileage Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout All-In-One (AIO) Fuel System Cleaner. Many prefer the AIO because it comes in a bottle that treats 35 gallons, so they are able to split it between two back-to-back tanks. But make sure it says Regane or is the AIO, as their other products are not PEA based and are therefore not as effective.
The Redline can be used at treatment and/or maintenance doses.
Stick with a PEA based cleaner, which STP is not, AFAIK. Your best bets are Techron Concentrate (not the "Fuel Injector Cleaner, as it is not as strong), Gumout (Regane, Regane High Mileage, or All-In-One), Redline SI-1, 3M, or Royal Purple.
Gumout's PEA based products in order of weakest to strongest are: Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout Regane High Mileage Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout All-In-One (AIO) Fuel System Cleaner. Many prefer the AIO because it comes in a bottle that treats 35 gallons, so they are able to split it between two back-to-back tanks. But make sure it says Regane or is the AIO, as their other products are not PEA based and are therefore not as effective.
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Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Stick with a PEA based cleaner, which STP is not, AFAIK. Your best bets are Techron Concentrate (not the "Fuel Injector Cleaner, as it is not as strong), Gumout (Regane, Regane High Mileage, or All-In-One), Redline SI-1, 3M, or Royal Purple.
I've heard that STP's fuel treatment probably do contain PEA. The question would be how much and if they're the right mixture to help clean a fuel system.
STP has been owned by some of the biggest names in chemicals, including Union Carbide and then Clorox. Even though it's owned by a private equity firm now, it's not as if they can't hire someone who can figure how to put PEA in a bottle and sell it as a fuel treatment. Now their traditional oil treatment is something I would never use. However, I doubt it's that difficult to properly formulate a fuel treatment with PEA.
Stick with a PEA based cleaner, which STP is not, AFAIK. Your best bets are Techron Concentrate (not the "Fuel Injector Cleaner, as it is not as strong), Gumout (Regane, Regane High Mileage, or All-In-One), Redline SI-1, 3M, or Royal Purple.
I've heard that STP's fuel treatment probably do contain PEA. The question would be how much and if they're the right mixture to help clean a fuel system.
STP has been owned by some of the biggest names in chemicals, including Union Carbide and then Clorox. Even though it's owned by a private equity firm now, it's not as if they can't hire someone who can figure how to put PEA in a bottle and sell it as a fuel treatment. Now their traditional oil treatment is something I would never use. However, I doubt it's that difficult to properly formulate a fuel treatment with PEA.
So why not use Chevron Techron that has a good track record and even have major auto companies recommending them? We do know that it has a decent anout of PEA...
AND it goes on BOGO at AAP so often...
AND it goes on BOGO at AAP so often...
There are a lot of threads here and many people have preferred Redline over just about any other cleaner. Amazon has it for around $10.95 a bottle.
Quite a bit more expensive (twice as much) than Gumout All in One treatment.
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Correct on the Gumout frequency. You can also use it less frequently if you use quality gas. Some use it in the last tank before an oil change, so once every 5-7k miles.
The Redline can be used at treatment and/or maintenance doses.
Stick with a PEA based cleaner, which STP is not, AFAIK. Your best bets are Techron Concentrate (not the "Fuel Injector Cleaner, as it is not as strong), Gumout (Regane, Regane High Mileage, or All-In-One), Redline SI-1, 3M, or Royal Purple.
Gumout's PEA based products in order of weakest to strongest are: Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout Regane High Mileage Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout All-In-One (AIO) Fuel System Cleaner. Many prefer the AIO because it comes in a bottle that treats 35 gallons, so they are able to split it between two back-to-back tanks. But make sure it says Regane or is the AIO, as their other products are not PEA based and are therefore not as effective.
So the Regane is the best product that Gumout have? Is Gumout safe to use on DI engine? we just got a 2014 mazda3 with 2.5L skyactiv and im planning to put one bottle when my odometer reaches around 5k km
So if i wanna use a cleaner every 5k km.. is Gumout gonna be better or Redline S1? I heard Redline works better with maintenance dose.. That's a pretty expensive route though.. Putting 1-2ounce every fill up..
Correct on the Gumout frequency. You can also use it less frequently if you use quality gas. Some use it in the last tank before an oil change, so once every 5-7k miles.
The Redline can be used at treatment and/or maintenance doses.
Stick with a PEA based cleaner, which STP is not, AFAIK. Your best bets are Techron Concentrate (not the "Fuel Injector Cleaner, as it is not as strong), Gumout (Regane, Regane High Mileage, or All-In-One), Redline SI-1, 3M, or Royal Purple.
Gumout's PEA based products in order of weakest to strongest are: Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout Regane High Mileage Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout All-In-One (AIO) Fuel System Cleaner. Many prefer the AIO because it comes in a bottle that treats 35 gallons, so they are able to split it between two back-to-back tanks. But make sure it says Regane or is the AIO, as their other products are not PEA based and are therefore not as effective.
So the Regane is the best product that Gumout have? Is Gumout safe to use on DI engine? we just got a 2014 mazda3 with 2.5L skyactiv and im planning to put one bottle when my odometer reaches around 5k km
So if i wanna use a cleaner every 5k km.. is Gumout gonna be better or Redline S1? I heard Redline works better with maintenance dose.. That's a pretty expensive route though.. Putting 1-2ounce every fill up..
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Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Correct on the Gumout frequency. You can also use it less frequently if you use quality gas. Some use it in the last tank before an oil change, so once every 5-7k miles.
The Redline can be used at treatment and/or maintenance doses.
Stick with a PEA based cleaner, which STP is not, AFAIK. Your best bets are Techron Concentrate (not the "Fuel Injector Cleaner, as it is not as strong), Gumout (Regane, Regane High Mileage, or All-In-One), Redline SI-1, 3M, or Royal Purple.
Gumout's PEA based products in order of weakest to strongest are: Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout Regane High Mileage Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout All-In-One (AIO) Fuel System Cleaner. Many prefer the AIO because it comes in a bottle that treats 35 gallons, so they are able to split it between two back-to-back tanks. But make sure it says Regane or is the AIO, as their other products are not PEA based and are therefore not as effective.
So the Regane is the best product that Gumout have? Is Gumout safe to use on DI engine? we just got a 2014 mazda3 with 2.5L skyactiv and im planning to put one bottle when my odometer reaches around 5k km
So if i wanna use a cleaner every 5k km.. is Gumout gonna be better or Redline S1? I heard Redline works better with maintenance dose.. That's a pretty expensive route though.. Putting 1-2ounce every fill up..
Actually, the All-In-One product is the best and it is not a Regane product, probably because throwing the name Regane in there would make the name too long.
They are safe for DI use. In fact, the AIO product description on Gumout's website includes "Cleans gasoline direct injection (GDI) systems" and "Will not void OEM/manufacturer's warranty".
I have no experience with Redline, so I can't compare the two, but I'm sure others will chime in.
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Correct on the Gumout frequency. You can also use it less frequently if you use quality gas. Some use it in the last tank before an oil change, so once every 5-7k miles.
The Redline can be used at treatment and/or maintenance doses.
Stick with a PEA based cleaner, which STP is not, AFAIK. Your best bets are Techron Concentrate (not the "Fuel Injector Cleaner, as it is not as strong), Gumout (Regane, Regane High Mileage, or All-In-One), Redline SI-1, 3M, or Royal Purple.
Gumout's PEA based products in order of weakest to strongest are: Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout Regane High Mileage Complete Fuel System Cleaner, Gumout All-In-One (AIO) Fuel System Cleaner. Many prefer the AIO because it comes in a bottle that treats 35 gallons, so they are able to split it between two back-to-back tanks. But make sure it says Regane or is the AIO, as their other products are not PEA based and are therefore not as effective.
So the Regane is the best product that Gumout have? Is Gumout safe to use on DI engine? we just got a 2014 mazda3 with 2.5L skyactiv and im planning to put one bottle when my odometer reaches around 5k km
So if i wanna use a cleaner every 5k km.. is Gumout gonna be better or Redline S1? I heard Redline works better with maintenance dose.. That's a pretty expensive route though.. Putting 1-2ounce every fill up..
Actually, the All-In-One product is the best and it is not a Regane product, probably because throwing the name Regane in there would make the name too long.
They are safe for DI use. In fact, the AIO product description on Gumout's website includes "Cleans gasoline direct injection (GDI) systems" and "Will not void OEM/manufacturer's warranty".
I have no experience with Redline, so I can't compare the two, but I'm sure others will chime in.
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