Red Line Euro 5w40 VOA
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Red line seems to be trying to beat just about every other boutique oil. All of their oil analysis I've seen seems great.
It looks like this product based on the viscosity above. HT/HS 4.4 & Noack 6%!!
https://www.redlineoil.com/5w40-motor-oil
Slightly cheaper Euro 5w-40 product offering.
https://www.redlineoil.com/professional-series-5w40-motor-oil
It looks like this product based on the viscosity above. HT/HS 4.4 & Noack 6%!!
https://www.redlineoil.com/5w40-motor-oil
Slightly cheaper Euro 5w-40 product offering.
https://www.redlineoil.com/professional-series-5w40-motor-oil
Low Ca. It is LSPI friendly and it's from recent new plant. Moly/POE also offset LSPI events.
The interesting thing about Red Line's Euro oils is they contain the same PAO/Ester base oil where as some of the other brands are using III and less V. Whether that matters is debatable but Red Line has stayed consistent in using PAO and POE. Very upfront company with great PDS.
https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/EURO_5W40_PROD_INFO2023.pdf
"Our SP/SN+ oils such as our 0W-20, 0w30 and our Euro series 5w30 and 5W-40. The products will have slightly different formulation such a reduced anti-wear package(zinc, phosphorus and molly and will have lower detergents and will meet ACEA C2(mid sap) ratings.
Even though these oils have a somewhat reduced formulation compared to other “euro ”products, Our products will still offer high quality PAO and Ester base stocks along with an enhanced protection package that will make them superior to other European oils.
When comparing the new lower ash European oils to our regular High-performance oils where SAPS and café are not as critical, we will have an enhanced level of Zinc, Molly ,and Phosphorus and higher detergency but still, offering the same high quality PAO/Ester Base stocks that would also make them superior to the lower ash European oils.
All Red Line products are full synthetic Group IV/Group V Ester base stocks with enhanced levels of Zinc. Phosphorus and Molly for better protection and performance.
Hope this helps."
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Thank you. However, I cannot completely follow your answer. How does your statement match the following UOA of the Euro Series 5W-40 with API SP formulation? (Lower Ca + significant Mg)
https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/15231-red-line-euro-series-5w-40-bmw-g32-6er-630i-10-652-km/
That's why I asked above for the source of the VOA.
https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/15231-red-line-euro-series-5w-40-bmw-g32-6er-630i-10-652-km/
That's why I asked above for the source of the VOA.
I can't speak to the VOA in your link. It's hard to read.
The VOA I posted also matches the Euro 5w30 additive levels. The one I posted is also very recent.
This looks like an older version (pre-2023).
The one I posted is from their new plant.
It also matches up with PDS for viscosity.
Here is the 5w30 Euro VOA. Similar to the one I posted. Not exact but close.
Decent balance of Moly and Boron. In fact is seems most additives are up compared to the SN formula with the exception of lower Calcium which should help with LSPI. Oxidation shows this still contains tons of ester. Hopefully it's Noack is still <5.
Fairly low TBN, even for a Euro, so I don't think I would consider this for long drains.
Fairly low TBN, even for a Euro, so I don't think I would consider this for long drains.
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Excuse me, but the values are taken from an UOA as I mentioned in #5. So the lower viscosity is due to the running time and fuel dilution.
The posted VOA of the 5w30 is very helpful. But it does confirm my view and shows that the VOA you've posted for the 5W-40 refers to the API SN. It is not similar at all to the one you posted, is it? Yours has no magnesium; 5w30 has 500 ppm. Your VOA shows a lot of boron, the one from 5w30 shows significantly less.
Sorry, but I can't really follow your arguments.
The posted VOA of the 5w30 is very helpful. But it does confirm my view and shows that the VOA you've posted for the 5W-40 refers to the API SN. It is not similar at all to the one you posted, is it? Yours has no magnesium; 5w30 has 500 ppm. Your VOA shows a lot of boron, the one from 5w30 shows significantly less.
Sorry, but I can't really follow your arguments.
Again, the OP is a VOA of current SP 5w40 RL taking from their new plant in TN. I have no idea about the one you posted. I can barely read it and it's a used oil analysis not a VOA. And it's not even from the US.
My advice is to buy a quart and get it tested. Formulations are tweaked/changed over time, and you also have to account for lab and grade variation.
I see. However, it doesn't make sense to me that the formulations of 5w30 and 5W-40 (Mg/no Mg) should differ so greatly; while both matching API SP..
Btw, the UOA refers to an oil from 2024 (not "pre-2023")
And last time, you can't quote the forum where this VOA originally comes from?
Btw, the UOA refers to an oil from 2024 (not "pre-2023")
And last time, you can't quote the forum where this VOA originally comes from?
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$50 site donor 2026
And ZDDP?
I really love the belly laugh I get every time you enthusiastically claim an oil’s performance can be comparatively graded against others based on their VOAs. “This is the most amazing oil ever!”
Especially when the oil in this thread has a TBN on par with the $20/5qt shelf at Walmart. Nothing like spending 5 times as much for an oil change and still having to change it at the same short frequency because it’s lost the ability to neutralize combustion acids…
Anyway, thanks for the laugh!
Is the TBN of the Walmart oil also measured according to D4739? Or maybe rather to D2896?
Depends on which lab did the test. Many labs today only use the used oil testing method since it requires fewer (and safer) chemicals to perform the test, and also gives comparable results between virgin & used TBN tests obtained from the same lab, which does not happen when the virgin oil testing standard is used for VOA and used oil standard for the UOA.
The 5w40 VOA is from the new plant in TN from a recent purchase.
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A couple of things with regards to LSPI. It's not just the ratio of Ca to Mg but the amount of Zinc/Phosphorus also plays a role. If Z/P are high enough then you don't need Mg. This is why Full Saps Euro oils can "meet the performance requirements of SP". It's only when you start dropping Z/P (ex, ACEA Cx) that LSPI can occur in some engines. 40 grades which meet API SP don't have the same limits for Z/P unlike 30 grades and lower.
So RL is advertising this as both LL01 and LL04.
@SubieRubyRoo That doesn't really answer my question. If you compare the 6.74 from here, for example, with a 9.0 according to D2896 from Walmart, that's neither accurate nor really useful.
@BMWTurboDzl Then please show me a Full SAPS Euro oil w/ API SP Performance and w/o Mg.
@buster Then there is no API SP on the packaging. I was referring to the statement from Red Line itself, which I personally consider to be more trustworthy.
@BMWTurboDzl Then please show me a Full SAPS Euro oil w/ API SP Performance and w/o Mg.
@buster Then there is no API SP on the packaging. I was referring to the statement from Red Line itself, which I personally consider to be more trustworthy.
