Red Line: chemstry tweaks across the street range

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Originally Posted By: robertcope
Looks like 0W30's VI is 166, at least that is what is on the site now. Sad, that seems significantly lower than the 183 it was before, which made that a pretty cool oil IMHO.

I don't think that's right.
As far as I can tell the 0W range is one oil with varying VII levels; they have the same 9% NOACK after all.
Their 0W-20 contains no VIIs, the 0W-30 just a pinch and the 0W-40 the most; that's a para-phrased from Dave.
Consequently it would make sense for their 0W-30 to have a VI in the 180 area.
 
It's confirmed SAPS and moly levels remain the same... which were:
The 5W40 1% sulfated ash, 1175 ppm phosphorus and 5000 ppm sulphur, 100 ppm moly. 15W40 goes here most likely too.
The others 1% sulfated ash, 1200 ppm phosphorus and 5000 ppm sulphur, 950 ppm moly.

If anyone emails/calls RL, please ask for density/gravity numbers... maybe they'll give an insight of PAO usage here.
 
tudor, you confirmed the additives are the same?

Well, if you look at the pricing of their MC oils, one could guess they lowered the POE base oil %'s. POE's are expensive. Either way, it's still a potent oil with a higher ester content than anything else on the market.

CATERHAM, I'm not RL bashing. You can criticize other brands w/o bashing.

Btw, stop mixing oils of different chemistries. It's not good. Ask any formulator. Castrol's detergent system is nothing like Pennzoil's. Compatible yes, ideal no.
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spook with dave just now..they just tweaked their oils but have the same mostly all poe esters chemistries the same zinc phos moly etc.i asked did they dumb down the product or made it better? dave said, "neither"..still the same very high poe oils.
 
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Too bad their 0W-40 VI has dropped from 197 to 190.


YES, that is a crying shame as I was going to use that stuff, blended with whatever would be the most compatible/highest VI I could find 0W-20 oil for my next winter OCI.
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Originally Posted By: tudorart
Yes I did. The VI for 0W30 as well...it's indeed 166.

Still don't believe it.
If that were the case then one could just blend their 0W-20 (calculated VI is actually 174) with their 0W-40 (calculated VI is 191) and produce your own 183 VI 0W-30 with RL's blessing.
 
Originally Posted By: tudorart
Can you see this one here
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
I think RL has confused the question with their 5W-30 which does have a 166 VI.

Now it's revised on RL website too and it's in the PDS above.
You just refuse to believe it ....funny thing! I understand because I wanted it high VI too. Well now we can use it for A3/B4 even more.
 
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tudorart, you do see my point?
If RL's 0W-30 was only 166 it would make no sense to buy it as you could make your own superior RL 0W-30 with a VI in the 180 range just by blend their 0W-20 and 0W-40.
 
I see it.
All in all I think Red Line solved two problems here: flash on the 0W grades and HTHS being too high on the rest of the line up BUT intentionally lost the opportunity to offer a higher VI for the 0W-30 when they did it for the 0W20. Why? I could've understood a 3.5cP and over for that VI.

Maybe they wanted no VII at all.
 
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Too bad their 0W-40 VI has dropped from 197 to 190.


YES, that is a crying shame as I was going to use that stuff, blended with whatever would be the most compatible/highest VI I could find 0W-20 oil for my next winter OCI.
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You can't be serious.
 
If price is any indicator, they probably lowered the POE content. But who cares? RL is still the only majority POE based oil I'm aware of. MC oils are about $2.00qt more than the street oils.

However, I buy oil based on the specifications they meet. You don't get points for boosting your oils with tons of ZDP and Calcium.
 
Originally Posted By: tudorart
I see it.
All in all I think Red Line solved two problems here: flash on the 0W grades and HTHS being too high on the rest of the line up BUT intentionally lost the opportunity to offer a higher VI for the 0W-30 when they did it for the 0W20. Why? I could've understood a 3.5cP and over for that VI.

No the 0W oils are just one oil with varying VI content as I mentioned before. All three grades have the same NOACK, Flash Pt and Pour Pt. The VI is a consequence of the VII content therefore the VI of the 0W-30 grade must be between the 0W-20 and 0W-40 grades. There is no such disparity among the 5W range of oils nor their 10W range.
 
True. I see your point and I also see how it would be very hard to come up with the same numbers (NOACK, Flash Pt and Pour Pt) by using different base stocks. So it should be the same one with different VII added

...however look at how they matched the old VI and Kvis for the old ones in the case of 10W40, 5W50 and 10W60. If they did that by changing stocks but still managed just to lower the HTHS and only HTHS while doing it, then one could imagine they can also match PP and Noack while using different polyol ester stocks. no?
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: buster
I will be curious to see if they perform any better. For the $, RL has not been that impressive of an oil compared to the competition.

Still more RL bashing?
RL is more impressive than most oils.
In particular their 0W range is top notch - shear stable, high VIs with the usual high AW additive levels; what's not to like.


Their excessively high price of $28 / L AUD (which is trade price, normal price $36 / L) with barely any OEM approvals is what I DON'T like.

This is not RL bashing, just stating RL facts.
 
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Originally Posted By: virginoil
This is not RL bashing, just stating RL facts.

In fairness to Red Line, they don't make any apologies for not having a bunch of certifications. That's not what they're aiming for. They're not a drag and drop replacement for SN/GF-5 oils, and they're not supposed to be. They're not for everyone, and that can be good or bad.

And they're not exactly cheap up here, either.
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They are a tad hard to find lately, though. As an aside, their fuel system cleaner is actually competitively priced here.
 
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