Red Line 5W-40 & 15W-40

[Johnny]

I sent an email to Red Line asking them why the 5W-40 did not have the moly content like their other oils. Here is the reply I received today from Dave at Red Line.

From: David Granquist
Date: May 20, 2010 1:36:51 PM CDT
To: jlp@charter
Subject: Re: Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form

Johnny,

Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, the moly has been eliminated from the 5W40 and 15W40 as both are designed to satisfy the new CJ-4 diesel engine oil requirements, specifically limiting the sulfated ash to ≤1% for emission system compatibility and continued performance.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

 

[c3po]

Dave, over at Redline is a great spokesperson for that company.

 

[daman]

Schaeffer's don't seem to have a problem with it,or other's have a pinch also.

Did they take it out all together? 0?

 

[Johnny]

I've never met or talked with anyone at Red Line that was not a good spokesperson. If it were not so darn expensive, plus having to pay shipping to get it, I would probably be using it right now. I do have their D4 ATF in my transmissions.

 

[BobFout]

How does moly add to SA?

FWIW I wonder how the moly content of their 0w40 is?

 

[dailydriver]

One of the reasons I combine their 5w30 & 10W-40, instead of just using their 5W-40.

 

[Johnny]

Originally Posted By: daman
Schaeffer's don't seem to have a problem with it,or other's have a pinch also.

Did they take it out all together? 0?


Last UOA I saw on Red Line 15w40 it was 5ppm of moly. I would assume the 5W-40 is about the same.

I would think their 0W-40 would be like their other oils, somewhere around 900ppm. Best way to find out would be to email Dave at Red Line.

 

[BobFout]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
One of the reasons I combine their 5w30 & 10W-40, instead of just using their 5W-40.


If you wanted a 7.5w35, why not just ask 'em for it?

 

[BobFout]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
Originally Posted By: daman
Schaeffer's don't seem to have a problem with it,or other's have a pinch also.

Did they take it out all together? 0?


Last UOA I saw on Red Line 15w40 it was 5ppm of moly. I would assume the 5W-40 is about the same.

I would think their 0W-40 would be like their other oils, somewhere around 900ppm. Best way to find out would be to email Dave at Red Line.


Wait. 900 ppm of Moly? *falls off my chair*

I'll e-mail Dave and see.

 

[Johnny]

Well, here is the entire email. I left some out since I was just referring to the 5W-40 when I contacted him. I also asked him about the D4 ATF in my Mercury.

Here:

Johnny,

Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, the moly has been eliminated from the 5W40 and 15W40 as both are designed to satisfy the new CJ-4 diesel engine oil requirements, specifically limiting the sulfated ash to ≤1% for emission system compatibility and continued performance.

If you want a lot of moly I would recommend the 5W30, it contains 950 ppm moly.

The D4ATF is suitable and recommended for use in your Grand Marquis automatic.
Glad to hear the products are performing well in your Honda Elements.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

 

[BobFout]

Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Originally Posted By: daman
Schaeffer's don't seem to have a problem with it,or other's have a pinch also.

Did they take it out all together? 0?


Last UOA I saw on Red Line 15w40 it was 5ppm of moly. I would assume the 5W-40 is about the same.

I would think their 0W-40 would be like their other oils, somewhere around 900ppm. Best way to find out would be to email Dave at Red Line.


Wait. 900 ppm of Moly? *falls off my chair*

I'll e-mail Dave and see.


Confirmed, 950 ppm of Moly in the 0w40.

 

[daman]

i dont feel to bad now for adding a whole can of LM.

 

[shpankey]

There's a theory going around about the 5w40 actually having less wear than the 10w40 and 5w30 high moly formula's. Nothing for sure, but something about moly over a certain point can actually cause issues.

saaber has some used oil analysis where this happened. Again, it's not enough really, and he doesn't think that either, it's just a suspicion at this point. He's running the 10w40 high moly currently, as am I, and both plan to UOA it.

 

[Art_Vandelay]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
I've never met or talked with anyone at Red Line that was not a good spokesperson. If it were not so darn expensive, plus having to pay shipping to get it, I would probably be using it right now.


They sure sound like a first class operation. There's nothing like good customer relations. I wish they could make it onto the shelf like Royal Purple did. I'd love to give the oil a try but don't want to pay shipping either.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: shpankey
There's a theory going around about the 5w40 actually having less wear than the 10w40 and 5w30 high moly formula's. Nothing for sure, but something about moly over a certain point can actually cause issues.

Well im not a blender but 900 ppm seems like over kill to me.

 

[Flashlightboy]

Shipping is keeping you from trying RL? That's it? That's like saying you won't buying something online because it doesn't have free shipping.

In the scheme of things what's the shipping cost? Dirt cheap. I buy RL online and pay the shipping. Never once do I wake up at night wringing my hands lamenting the fact that I paid for shipping to get a really good oil that I like using. Shipping isn't free. It either is built into the price or you have to buy over a certain amount to get "free shipping." Balderdash.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: shpankey
There's a theory going around about the 5w40 actually having less wear than the 10w40 and 5w30 high moly formula's. Nothing for sure, but something about moly over a certain point can actually cause issues.


It doesn't mean jack unless the "extra wear" detected in a used oil analysis is actual wear as verified through ferrography, or other methods beyond spectroscopy.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: Johnny
I've never met or talked with anyone at Red Line that was not a good spokesperson. If it were not so darn expensive, plus having to pay shipping to get it, I would probably be using it right now.


They sure sound like a first class operation. There's nothing like good customer relations. I wish they could make it onto the shelf like Royal Purple did. I'd love to give the oil a try but don't want to pay shipping either.


If you spend more than $100 at ogracing, you get free shipping. That's what I've been doing, no tax and no shipping and it suddenly becomes not so painful.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: shpankey
There's a theory going around about the 5w40 actually having less wear than the 10w40 and 5w30 high moly formula's. Nothing for sure, but something about moly over a certain point can actually cause issues.

Well im not a blender but 900 ppm seems like over kill to me.


Honda and Toyota don't seem to agree.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: shpankey
There's a theory going around about the 5w40 actually having less wear than the 10w40 and 5w30 high moly formula's. Nothing for sure, but something about moly over a certain point can actually cause issues.

Well im not a blender but 900 ppm seems like over kill to me.


Honda and Toyota don't seem to agree.

Explain?