Red Line 10w-30 LS1 Camaro 5454 miles

[MB289]

This is my first UOA in my 99 Chev LS1. This OCI had 5454 miles on 10w-30 Red Line and the car had 52k miles on it.

I purchased the car with 34k miles and have used Mobil 1 10w-30 and 0w-40. At the end of the 0w-40 I did an ARx treatment for 1500 miles followed by a 2000 mile rinse with Penzoil 10w-30 and switched to Red Line. The oil filter is a K&N 2006(long) filter. I noticed that the oil pressure is about 10psi higher with the Redline through out the OCI. Mobil 1 0w-40 was about the same for 2k miles but would then drop off to what I was noticing wiht the Mobil 1 10w-30.

The car does see WOT on occasions but since it is my daily driver, it's not raced or modded except for a lid. However, I may do a cat-back later this year.

I have an 80 mile round trip to work, so most of the miles are highway between 45 and 70.

MI/HR ON OIL 5454
MI/HR ON UNIT 52090
SAMPLE DATE 04/27/04

ALUMINUM 8
CHROMIUM 1
IRON 7
COPPER 46
LEAD 8
TIN 7
MOLYBDENUM 508
NICKEL 2
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 3
BORON 31
SILICON 13
SODIUM 15
CALCIUM 2903
MAGNESIUM 7
PHOSPHORUS 1208
ZINC 1319
BARIUM 0
SUS VISC@210F 63.9
FLASHPOINT 405F
FUEL ANTIFREEZE 0.0%
WATER 0.0%
INSOLUBLES 0.4%
TBN 3.6
LAB BLACKSTONE

I'm still waiting on T. Dysons report. Oil experts, let me know what you think.

 

[Bror Jace]

These results look surprisingly good. Don't worry about the copper. Red Line does that initially with many engines ... especially these V8s.

Also, your pressure readings are in line with what most of us know about Red Line and Mobil. The Red Line is formulated on the thick side of the viscosity range. Mobil 1 just the opposite. And 0W40 isn't a terribly shear-stable oil so no surprised it showed a drop-off at around 2,000 miles.

I'm sure Terry will be pleased with the results and recommend you stick with Red Line.

--- Bror Jace

 

[buster]

An LS1 UOA with only 1 response so far?

This is a good showing for RL. Very low Fe. TBN is a bit low.

 

[Patman]

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Originally posted by buster:
An LS1 UOA with only 1 response so far?

This is a good showing for RL. Very low Fe. TBN is a bit low.

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I'm almost afraid to respond on Redline or LS1 reports since you guys keep saying how biased I am.

 

[Al]

I gess I'm always a little underimpressed with Redline. Iron is good-the tin is a little troubling to me. But never fear you have Terry!!!

 

[Last_Z]

MB289,
Good report! The iron seems excellent to me. Copper is not bad at all......it will continue to drop off as you put miles on the car. The lead and Tin do seem a bit high. The lead "might" be cured with a bit more viscous oil (40W).

Did you notice a difference in engine noise/sound between M1 0W40 and RL 10W30 (quieter, smoother, peppier?)

Thanks


EDIT: The reason I ask is because my engine (02 Z28) seems very noisy with M1 oils. People have stated many times RL quiets LS1s a lot. I'm thinking RL 5 or 10W-40.

[ May 20, 2004, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Last_Z ]

 

[Whimsey]

Your report looks good

. Perhaps your lead is a bit higher but not bad. That could be due to the Red Line. I seem to recall some other UOA with Red Line that also seemed to show higher lead. I believe it's some theory about Red Line's initial cleaning or chemical reaction. You sure got a "load" of Moly, Phosphorous and Zinc in there

. With the lab being Blackstone a TBN of 3.6 is fine. There's still good life left in the oil. I think you could easily run this oil for 7,500 miles. Then do another UOA to see If it can be stretched more than 7,500. Terry will give you good advice about that.

Whimsey

 

[MB289]

Last_Z, I noticed more noise with the M1 0-40. I also noticed the M1 0w40 sheared down after about 2k miles. Oil pressure with the RL is constant and stayed high through out the OCI. Also, the RL oil pressure is as high as the M1 0w-40 when it's new.

I still have some noise with the RL, so it's not gone. I feel the noise issue is an irratant only and this time of year, since I live in SC, is a none issue.

I plan on running this RL to 7500 and then having a UOA done.

[ May 20, 2004, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: MB289 ]

 

[MB289]

Originally posted by MB289:
[QB] Last_Z, I noticed more noise with the M1 0-40. I also noticed the M1 0w40 sheared down after about 2k miles. Oil pressure with the RL is constant and stayed high through out the OCI. Also, the RL oil pressure is as high as the M1 0w-40 when it's new.

I still have some noise with the RL, so it's not gone. I feel the noise issue is an irratant only and this time of year, since I live in SC, is a none issue.

I plan on running this RL to 7500 and then having a UOA done.

Since its been 90F here already and oil pressure has been excellent, even with a/c running, I don't think a 40wt is necessary.

 

[Last_Z]

MB,
Do you notice the engine more responsive and/or peppier with RL? Do you get better gas mileage? Any advantages over M1?

I'm trying to find a way to justify the cost of RL

 

[SSDude]

Your report looks good. Your cooper is right in line for a LS1. My only concern is your tin. I would think that with Redline it would be lower especially since you said that your car does not see WOT very often and is not raced.

 

[MB289]

Last_Z, the RL does seem to feel more peppier than M1 10w40, although this is subjective. RL definitly gives better oil consumption than M1. With M1 10w30 or 10w40 by 2k miles I was down about 1/4 qt. I'm at 2k now on RL and just checked oil again this morning and its only a tick below full mark. XTROOPER on LS1.com noticed the same thing when using RL over M1. I plan on sticking with RL now for the next several OCI, especially since I can get RL at Advance Auto locally. I think RL is worth the extra money and Terry likes this oil.

 

[MB289]

Last_Z, forgot about the gas milage. It seems to be about the same as with M1. I've always been happy with my mpg. I average about 26mpg and sometimes get a tad over 27. Keep in mind that most of my miles are highway at 45 - 70mph and most trips are about 40 miles per trip. My LS1 is an A4 with 2.73 rear.

 

[buster]

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I'm almost afraid to respond on Redline or LS1 reports since you guys keep saying how biased I am.

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I don't think your biased Patman. Eveyone has their opinion and is entitled to it. I see your point about LS1 and viscosity. However, I've seen a few decent M1 reports in LS1's. Not the best choice by no means, but M1 can do a decent job. Fe is a bit annoying though.

This report is very good IMO.

 

[Last_Z]

MB289,
Thanks for the feedback. I still have more than 3k miles before I change my oil again. That'll give me some time to think about it.

 

[Jared H]

Hi ...

Don't know if you ever sampled your oil when the M1 0W40 was in there ... attached is a link to my data. My OCI was about 400mi less than yours here. However, I did do a good bit of romping on the car this interval (enough to get the oil change light to come on and I usually don't ever get that prior changing the oil on my own.)
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001469

Things I noticed (when comparing):
Your Al level is 4ppm higher
My iron level is 18ppm higher
Your tin level is 4ppm higher
Your Pb level is 1ppm higher
My Cu is 16ppm higher
Your Ni is 1ppm higher
My Viscosity(although reduced to a 30wt) is 67.7SUS at 210F
Your Viscosity is 63.9SUS at 210F
My flashpoint 405F
Your flashpoint 405F
My TBN 4.7
Your TBN 3.6
My lab Blackstone
Your lab Blackstone
My mileage 20,550
Your mileage 52,090

Just adding this to your thread because I thought you might be interested having run M1 0W40 in your own vehicle before. I've added Lube Control to my current OCI of M1 0W40 per Terry D.'s recommendation (reduction of Fe levels) ... check my next sampling results in a few months if your interested. Terry also mentioned he thought Redline was definitely one way to go (I'm paraphrasing of course).

Cya ... JHH

[ May 21, 2004, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: Jared H ]

 

[buster]

LS1 is just one lousy wearing engine but what is ironic is....they LAST. If anyone wonder's why that is bc wear isn't really high until it's really over 100ppm.

Patman's LS1 will out last him with the great GC in the engine!

 

[TooSlick]

Note how low the valve train and ring/cylinder wear is here (Fe and Cr @ 7 ppm and 1 ppm, respectively), compared to the same engine running Mobil 1 for 5000 miles.

It's not even close...

Tooslick