Raise gas tax by 15 cents/gallon?

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So I’m watching the nightly network news and there is a piece how the federal deficit reduction commission has proposed raising the gas tax by 15 cents a gallon. Their justification is that right now we spend 38 billion/year on our roads, but the gas tax only covers 30 billion with Congress making up the 8 billion.
I thought it was a good piece giving lots of good information such as when the gas tax came in the 1950s, we drove gas guzzlers and now, people drive more fuel efficient vehicles and tack on less miles now because of the economy, so it sounds, like government is going to once again punish us for doing good, which is driving less (In southern California, where I live, we were asked to conserve on water, which we did, but because we did such a good job, the water districts are raising rates to pay for the money they didn’t bring in because we used less as they had asked for).

I don’t have a problem with government cost recovery. If we use something, we should pay for it. I do have problems with government raiding one fund to balance their deficit (Something California is known for). I also believe that we have a deficit problem, but how do we fix it? I don’t think it’s smart to raise taxes when the economy is in a slump. Wait till things are going good first.

Getting my calculator out, if my figures are correct, my family would pay about $170/year more for fuel. That might sound minor, but money is already tight. We would have to cut back elsewhere, which means less money for the economy. How many others would be forced to cut their expenses and wouldn’t those numbers add up and impact the economy even more?
Raising any kind of taxes during bad economic times doesn’t make sense. What would make more sense is if we became intelligent voters and would vote in fiscal conservatives that would actually practice what they preach. We need real leadership to handle deficit spending at all levels.

I’m now off my soap box.
 
As long as they refund it via a tax credit, I'm fine with raising gas taxes as a conservation measure. As a deficit reduction measure, heck not! It's another pocket picking on everybody who cares about the price of fuel, aka you and I. Note how the people proposing this probably can very likely absorb this increase without a second thought.
 
Why is DC in the highway business at all. I have an idea. End both the federal tax on motor fuels and the federal spending on highways. Net federal savings $8 billion.

Let each state figure out it's own policy to build and maintain roads. It's not the job of the federal government to build and maintain roads, save for post roads as spelled out in the Constitution. U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 8
 
Like most everything else, I bet Congress will be exempted.

Why can't we elected people that CARE for us instead of special interests?
 
World demand exceeding supply results in rapid price increases, with OPEC getting the windfall.... until conservation causes the price to fall again. So....... should we let them get it all, or grab a little for our budget???

I bet if you had a choice of two pumps....

PUMP ONE: no gas tax, 2.40 a gallon. But, when you fill, voom, all the roads are mud, the bridges are fords, no traffic lights, no interstates, you get home (after being towed out of a couple of mud holes) and the mud dripping in your driveway from your car is a foot deep.

PUMP TWO: 3.00 a gallon, all the roads return, the federal tax insures that the major highways and interstates in one state connect to and through the next state, the bridges are back in place......heck, even the snowplows are running again.

Bet you only ever use pump one once.
 
15 cents is a little steep. 5-10 cents would not bother me.

What bothers me is the price going up and down constantly every week. And oil speculators jacking the price up for every little whim.
 
I have no problem paying for the roads to be maintained if there is a shortfall. This isnt some entitlement program, this is critical infrastructure, that is effectively paid for on a use basis via the fuel tax.

A guzzler isnt going to do more/less damage than a hybrid in reality, but it is going to pay more taxes overall, so doing good is still rewarded, the reality is that all the vehicles as a whole are doing more damage than the taxes pay for.

I dont think it is a state issue per se either. So many of the roads in any state that are heavily traveled are either interstates or US highways. When you see the DOT signs put up, you see hundreds of thousands of dollars of cost share from the states and millions from federal DOT on these roads. A good example of that is US 130 which constitutes nearly 50% of my commute every day. The state paid $600k, the feds paid $21M for recent work nearby (or figures roughly around that).

The state/county/town roads are a different story, and the taxes associated with their repair are taxed on the state level already.
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I think I pay plenty enough in taxes already... and asking for more is simply a dumb idea.


+1 Just another way to kick the little guy when he's down.
 
This will hit many people hard.In my area,it is normal for people to drive 40-60 miles one way to work.That is 80-120 miles a day,that is 400-600 miles a week.That is just back and forth to work.

That is a big chunk of their wages for gas.If you add another 15 cents to gas that is almost $3.00 a gallon now,that is even a bigger chunk out of their already tight budget.

A small car helps but when gas gets as high as it is,then you add another 15 cents per gallon,that is less money in the economy.That is less money for food,shelter,gas and other needs.

It costs American consumers $4 million a day for every penny at the gas pump.If you take $4 million a day out of the economy that is going to gas,that is a huge amount of money that is really being taken out of the economy.

That $4 million could be spent on basic needs and some extras that really move the economy.That is $4 million less to the small business.That is $4 million taken from the local services in your area.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Why is DC in the highway business at all.


To spread the highway pork around. If DC weren't in the highway business, West Virginia wouldn't have a 4-lane highway which might get 1000 vehicles per day.
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I think I pay plenty enough in taxes already... and asking for more is simply a dumb idea.


Agreed. The gov't needs to be more efficient with the money it already has rather than taxing it's citizens more.
 
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I think I pay plenty enough in taxes already... and asking for more is simply a dumb idea.


Agreed. The gov't needs to be more efficient with the money it already has rather than taxing it's citizens more.


I agree, but roads needing repair is not an issue of being efficient. It is you and I who use and wear the roads. It is our use taxes that keep them maintained.

If the "little guy" asphalt worker working night shifts is making too much money, driving costs up, then so be it, but he is the little guy just like you and I, so we can't wish too much bad on him just for collecting a wage.
 
As our economy recovers, we are again pushing up the price of crude. Not 15 cents, but it went up over a buck the last time we tried to burn more than the world could produce. And, it mostly went out of the country..... perhaps the real root cause of the recession.

Lets keep the tax low, let OPEC reap the reward, and keep borrowing our national debt from the Chinese.

Some of you may have been raised that way, but I was not.
 
Originally Posted By: motorguy222
This will hit many people hard.In my area,it is normal for people to drive 40-60 miles one way to work.That is 80-120 miles a day,that is 400-600 miles a week.That is just back and forth to work.

That is a big chunk of their wages for gas.If you add another 15 cents to gas that is almost $3.00 a gallon now,that is even a bigger chunk out of their already tight budget.

A small car helps but when gas gets as high as it is,then you add another 15 cents per gallon,that is less money in the economy.That is less money for food,shelter,gas and other needs.

It costs American consumers $4 million a day for every penny at the gas pump.If you take $4 million a day out of the economy that is going to gas,that is a huge amount of money that is really being taken out of the economy.

That $4 million could be spent on basic needs and some extras that really move the economy.That is $4 million less to the small business.That is $4 million taken from the local services in your area.



HUH????!? Sounds like an entitlement attitude from someone who thinks they deserve to use the roads and deserve to live 40-60 miles away, yet dont want to pay for their induced wear. Do you deserve also for the government to buy you tires because their roads wore your tires down?

Its not like that $4 million is going as aid to the Israelis or some other bogus handout. As long as it is meeting its purpose, it is going to maintain roads that enable efficient commerce, and since the major cost component of most anything is labor, it is going to pay the salaries of the people doing the work to rebuild the roads and related infrastructure, who then go to buy things in the local economy. If they go to wal-mart instead and send their money to China, that is another story, but it is irrelevant to the fact that maintaining the roads that the commuters use because they induce wear and nature degrades them is a necessity if they want to make that 60 mile commute at all.
 
I'm going against the majority here. I think Federal gas tax at 18 cents a gallon is too low, it should be raised to 50 cents a gallon over several years period, first year raise 7 cents to 25 cents and 5 cents each year after. We need money to repair and rebuild infrastructures.
 
I think the gas tax is FAR too low. I find it dubious and ironic that the same people who complain that we're over-taxed are mostly the same ones who expect all of their roads and fuel to be subsidized as, please look it up, they currently are. The oil companies are in a state of major corporate-welfare dependence, and the people who drive the most are being subsidized by those who drive the least because the gas tax doesn't cover the whole cost of building and maintaining the roads.

I try to bike to work as much as I can. But I'm paying for roads I'm not using through the income tax. Meanwhile, people who make less than I do - and pay NO income tax - commute insane distances and get their roads subsidized by me. Talk about socialism!

As to the idea that the federal government shouldn't be building roads... well, go tear up the Interstate. I won't even bother starting to point out how backwards and wrong that argument is.
 
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