"Radiation alarms at the unidentified sites detected the small amounts....."
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A dirty bomb is really no threat at all. Sure it would kill a few people just like any bomb would. But there would not be any pure radiation deaths.
The biggest WMD's have and are still crossing our southern boarders (illegals). Of course they all will be citizens soon.
The biggest WMD's have and are still crossing our southern boarders (illegals). Of course they all will be citizens soon.
OK let's let a few go in Elizabethtown, Pa . Sheesh Al. Sure next to my kids.
I'm not living paranoid, but the alarms went off but the dudes had fake paperwork, and faked Customs jocks off...I thought that would get some comments.
I'm not living paranoid, but the alarms went off but the dudes had fake paperwork, and faked Customs jocks off...I thought that would get some comments.
I know I dont feel any safer since 9/11...I just have fewer freedoms/rights and a national debt thats in the trillions.
ShortBuSX -It's not about feeling safer. It's about preventing the preventable. Who would you blame if a dirty bomb goes in your town. Yep!
What rights/freedoms have you lost?
Yeah spending is stinking out of control. Seattle actually get public fund to provide housing for drunks who simply won't sober up (and have failed all other cleansing attempts) - no questions asked, free rooms to drink and throw up in!
What rights/freedoms have you lost?
Yeah spending is stinking out of control. Seattle actually get public fund to provide housing for drunks who simply won't sober up (and have failed all other cleansing attempts) - no questions asked, free rooms to drink and throw up in!
My point Pabs is that a dirty bomb is no worse than a regular bomb. Its the scare tactic. Of course I don't want a bomb going off on my kids. Not a clean bomb or any bomb. But its the fear factor that freaks people out.
I worked in a nuc plant and contamination is not a problem its huge amounts of curies. A dirty bomb doesn't have the "curie" power to cause a problem.
And TMI (Elizabethtown) spit out more radiation ahan a thousand "dirty bombs" Result: deaths (and probably cancers)= a big fat zero.
For a thousand bucks I'll stand 1/8 mile away from the dirtiest bomb terrorists could haul into this country any day of the week.
I worked in a nuc plant and contamination is not a problem its huge amounts of curies. A dirty bomb doesn't have the "curie" power to cause a problem.
And TMI (Elizabethtown) spit out more radiation ahan a thousand "dirty bombs" Result: deaths (and probably cancers)= a big fat zero.
For a thousand bucks I'll stand 1/8 mile away from the dirtiest bomb terrorists could haul into this country any day of the week.
What rights have you lost (unless you are a terrorist)? I haven't lost any.
I was just able to go into a gun shop and in 15 minutes walk out with a new .380.
[/QUOTE]What rights have you lost (unless you are a terrorist)? I haven't lost any.
I was just able to go into a gun shop and in 15 minutes walk out with a new .380. [/QB][/QUOTE]
G** Bless America!
I was just able to go into a gun shop and in 15 minutes walk out with a new .380. [/QB][/QUOTE]
G** Bless America!
Kestas
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Yeah Probably prescription drugs...
Don't let the term "bomb" fool anyone. It's not like a 105 round, it's just a simple explosive device that scatters radiation. Will not kill anyone immeadiately, but what it does is contaminate miles of areas that are considered "dirty" by radiation standards. It contaminates everything and renders the area useless until it is all cleaned up. Depending on wind speed and environmental affects, this stuff can travel hundereds of miles. Imagine, you get this stuff on you, you can't see it, you can't smell it, you only know it's on you by using a Giegor (sp???) counter. You come home, you house gets contaminated, your kids, your pets, your vehicles, etc. etc. you get the picture? This is the perferred method of delivery for terroist. Easy, low cost, low risk to them and super high pay back. They could affectively wipe out NYC with the right device, time of day (exposure to the public), wind speed, type of nuclear material. Make no MISTAKE ABOUT IT, THIS will do more damage than any other type of explosive device other than an actual nuclear detonation.
Sure thing. We have such great control over our borders, nobody can sneak anything in.
No way we could let 10,000,000+ people sneak right on by, just will never happen and our government will protect us and safety is of course not compromised. That's a relief.
Thats not possible. You can't get enough curies in there. We'll be our own worst enemy. The government will spend trillions getting every radioactive atom within a 1000 square miles cleaned up.
Chernobyl released several billion curies. Total deaths have been attributed to 56. They would be hard pressed to deliver more than 10,000 Curies. That would even be difficult because of shielding necessary. And that amount of shielding would work against them when making a bomb. 3/4 of that 10,000 would escape never more to be seen.
The rest might contaminate a couple blocks and that would be pretty mild. The fear factor in this country is intense. One good rain or a spraydown and its gone.
Honestly, worring over whether the sun will appear tomorrow is a bigger worry.
Al, I respectfully disagree with your prognosis.
The stuff they taught use at all the FEMA, Incident Commander and HAZWOPER courses I've taken as an emergency first responder will scare the bejesus out of you. It doesn't take much to render an area contaminated. Rain water and effluent from a hose down has to go somewhere as that is not considered a treatment standard.
The stuff they taught use at all the FEMA, Incident Commander and HAZWOPER courses I've taken as an emergency first responder will scare the bejesus out of you. It doesn't take much to render an area contaminated. Rain water and effluent from a hose down has to go somewhere as that is not considered a treatment standard.
JHZR2
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Back in the early 40's before the Manhattan project, the Navy was leading for nuclear research... There was an incident not far from where Im sitting right now at the Phila. Navy Yard, where a pressure vessel released UF6 or similar material when it exploded...
Talk about a dirty bomb!
One fellow I work with claimed he took a geiger counter here and noted slightly elevated rdiation on site, even today... However, he got higher counts in his basement.
Should I be worried???
All the same, there is some value to doing our best, to a reasonable extent, to keep this stuff from coming over the wrong way. The problem is that if they really want to get it here, they will
Thank goodness for folks like Schmoe, who train to handle a lot of this stuff
I'm hoping that in a third party compromise, that they do the training for folks like Schmoe in a matter to make them far more cautious than they really would ever need to be, for the sake of their own well being (which is good), and at the same time, the real effects of such a release would be quite low.
JMH
Talk about a dirty bomb!
One fellow I work with claimed he took a geiger counter here and noted slightly elevated rdiation on site, even today... However, he got higher counts in his basement.
Should I be worried???
All the same, there is some value to doing our best, to a reasonable extent, to keep this stuff from coming over the wrong way. The problem is that if they really want to get it here, they will
Thank goodness for folks like Schmoe, who train to handle a lot of this stuff
JMH
I have worked in Nuclear Power since 1972. Contamination washes off and is very benign. Been contaminated, have done de-contamination.
Its strictly a fear factor. If it ever happens..maybe I can make some big bucks cleaning it up.
I'm much more afraid of our politicians spending us into a third world country than terrorists.
We'll just have to disagree here.
The Thing is, when the news hits CNN it will scare the Poo out or 95% of the U.S.
THAT'S what Terrorism is about.
Killing lots of people is easy, the WTC was not a high population target.
THAT'S what Terrorism is about.
Killing lots of people is easy, the WTC was not a high population target.
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The problem with contamination is with ingestion. If you have a long halflife isotope, then it will be stuck in you doing genetic damage. I handled moly generators for 5 years. Received my max occupational dosage for about the entire time. I assisted on customer (I delivered to them ..and they dispenced dosages and I, in turn, delivered them) and I got contaminated by a few micro curries. Set off all kinds of alarms as I exited the facility (you did a routine scan with a survey meter). Took all kinds of cleaning agents to get it off of my hand (I, against protocol, didn't have gloves on when I sealed the container).
Radiation make you old and tired. Now surely you wouldn't want someone real young getting contaminated ..or anyone for that matter ..but I would find it hard to believe that anyone will be "killed" or "sentenced to a life of miserable health" because of a dirty bomb. Naturally, conditions and restrictions apply.
On the topic of hazardous clean up. We have a county hazmat team. Now don't get me wrong with what I'm going to say here. There was a spill of colored waste. I asked what did they use for the clean up. The head honcho, who gave us all of our hazmat/confined space training, said "bleech". Later they had a bleech spill and I asked him what they used to clean that up. He said "water".
One person's hazard is that same person's cure depending on the circumstances.
Radiation make you old and tired. Now surely you wouldn't want someone real young getting contaminated ..or anyone for that matter ..but I would find it hard to believe that anyone will be "killed" or "sentenced to a life of miserable health" because of a dirty bomb. Naturally, conditions and restrictions apply.
On the topic of hazardous clean up. We have a county hazmat team. Now don't get me wrong with what I'm going to say here. There was a spill of colored waste. I asked what did they use for the clean up. The head honcho, who gave us all of our hazmat/confined space training, said "bleech". Later they had a bleech spill and I asked him what they used to clean that up. He said "water".
One person's hazard is that same person's cure depending on the circumstances.
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