Quitting smoking

[Clevy]

Hey guys
So my girl has decided she wanted to quit smoking. I smoke however to help her curb any potential triggers or cravings I decided that my office,which consists of an insulated and vented smoking room that I built so there wouldn't be any second hand smoke circulating through the house would become smoke free.
So she bought what's called a vaporizer. Its a rechargeable nicotine inhaler that has an element that heats up a flavoured fluid that contains nicotine.
I saw her with it as I went outside for a smoke and thought I'd try it out. I liked the idea so much I bought one and since Thursday of last week I've smoked 5 cigarettes.
I like to smoke,don't ask me why,I just do however I've found that this thing still gives my hands something to do and I'm no longer a pariah since they can be used indoors because there isn't any second-hand pollutant that can be inhaled by anyone else.
I'm now on the road to be a non smoker and I highly recommend this thing to anyone who may be on the fence on how to go about quitting.
The reservoir holds 10ml. Each ml contains 1.2 grams of nicotine and is clearly marked so one can reduce nicotine intake based on the ml marks on the reservoir,which makes the entire process easier as far as curbing intake to therefore break the addiction.
I've now smoked over 20 years and I wasn't even considering quitting until she came home with this thing.

It's called a vision vaporizer. There are an infinite amount of flavours for the nicotine solution so finding one that you like shouldn't be a problem.
I know many of you quit cold turkey and I'm happy for you,I however didn't want to quit,even though any sensible person I'm sure finds that comment stupid.
Anyways i just wanted to bring this product to the attention of our members who just haven't gotten there with gum and lozenges.
It's called vision vaporizer. I have found them on google.
Even if I don't break the nicotine addiction this option eliminates the inhalation of the combustion by-products including all those ones that end in zene and no tar and whatever else included with smoking. This option vaporizes,doesn't burn,so although I'm sure it's not a healthy alternative I believe its less harmful.
And no more going outside for a smoke.
Just a heads up for the smokers out there.

Just to add. For 2 battery packs,4 reservoirs a charger,the case and 2 30ml bottles of nicotine solution cost me 120 bucks. Cigarettes here are 14 a pack. So the reservoir holds 10ml and it lasts me just over a day. The bottles are 17 bucks each for 30ml.
So for me,a pack a day smoker the break even point as compared to buying cigarettes is just under 2 weeks. After that it costs me roughly 5 bucks a day instead of 14.
I take 5 or 6 drags at a time,3 or 4 times per hour so depending on your habit and how many packs you smoke a day the break even point will vary based on your personal consumption.

 

[Rolla07]

Good for you! I believe any steps you take to reducing the inhalation of something that is burnt is a good thing. The fact it will save you a few bucks, adds to the benefit. Im sure your lungs will feel better as well. Hope it works out for you and your girl!

 

[CharBaby]

Congradualations to you and your girlfriend on trying to quit smoking.

I quit smoking twice! I smoked for 15 years(2 packs a day) and quit for 15 years. Then I picked up cigaretts again for another 5 years(~3 packs a week). It's been 3 years now that I haven't touched a smoke.

When I did start smoking(1969), I was very young and stupid and wanted to be cool. Then it turned into an addiction as I couldn't put'em down. I really liked smoking very much!

I even stayed in shape while smoking and always ate the right foods and to my friends, I was the picture of health but...then I also drank! I don't do either any longer.

I wasn't an alcoholic, I just stopped drinking because I want to live a healthier life...and lost 29 lbs.

 

[Clevy]

Thanks for the encouragement.
Like I said at first I wasn't even considering quitting however the vaporizer she brought home got me thinking.
I must admit at first it was money(sadly) then I considered that the only thing I was quitting was actually cigarettes since I'd still be inhaling nicotine vapour.
What I like about smoking was that thickness and the feeling of the smoke being inhaled. The vaporizer gives me that. I still get that thick inhaling feeling without the carcinogens and the other poisons.
Sure I'm still inhaling nicotine however if I've learned anything in life change doesn't happen instantly and small steps yield more permanent results.
I admire those guys who just quit cold turkey. I felt my first what I'd describe as a nic fit ever on Saturday.
I felt nausea,jittery,hands actually shaking but a few puffs on the inhaler and almost instantly I felt better.
I'd never seen one of these before so I wanted to draw some attention to them in case we have a member that this type of option could help.
I still have the inhaler to keep my hands busy,as well as everything else a smoker notices that they are missing so it fills those habits associated with the actual physical motions included with smoking.
Today I'm going to get through the whole day without a smoke. I haven't gotten a full 24 hours without yet however its the mornings where I have smoked these pasts days and now I'm awake and not smoked so I might be over that hump.
Thanks again for the encouragement. I do appreciate it

 

[TTK]

Well, you are eliminating the 4000 chemicals from burning tobacco, and don't worry too much about the nicotine. It is about as bad for you as caffeine from coffee.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

It's a good start, and at least you're trying.

You'd be better off breaking the crutch habit, but at least for now you won't be wrapped in the filth and stench of cigarettes.

Originally Posted By: TTK
and don't worry too much about the nicotine. It is about as bad for you as caffeine from coffee.


Nonsense. Nicotine is a natural insecticide produced by the tobacco plant to protect itself against insects. It takes just 50 to 60 mg of nicotine to kill a 160 pound human (about 3 drops), it would take 10,000 mg of caffeine to do the same.

 

[Garak]

For you Americans here, Canadian tobacco prices compared to U.S. tobacco prices are far worse than Canadian motor oil versus U.S. motor oil. I think they're around $12 a pack depending on brand, aren't they, Clevy?

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
It's a good start, and at least you're trying.

You'd be better off breaking the crutch habit, but at least for now you won't be wrapped in the filth and stench of cigarettes.

Originally Posted By: TTK
and don't worry too much about the nicotine. It is about as bad for you as caffeine from coffee.


Nonsense. Nicotine is a natural insecticide produced by the tobacco plant to protect itself against insects. It takes just 50 to 60 mg of nicotine to kill a 160 pound human (about 3 drops), it would take 10,000 mg of caffeine to do the same.


I don't know for sure about the toxicity of nicotine in humans however I saw a program this weekend about corn and soy seeds that farmers buy that are pre-treated with insecticide called neo-nic's.
The show was about the bees dying in recent years. Apparently some researchers have found a connection between these crops that come with these neo-nic's and the hives kill rates.
Of course the seed and pesticide producer says there's no connection but the beekeeper's observations,and of course his living depends on the bees,has found that when he takes his hives anywhere near the crops he's identified as being "protected" with the neo-nic's he sees hive depletion within a week.

No on topic but what effect does that have on humans. These crops have these pesticides engineered into them so they emit their neo-nic pesticide when they first break ground,then again when they flower,which means its in their genetics.
What does that do to the humans that eat them?
Does anyone know anything about this stuff?

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: Garak
For you Americans here, Canadian tobacco prices compared to U.S. tobacco prices are far worse than Canadian motor oil versus U.S. motor oil. I think they're around $12 a pack depending on brand, aren't they, Clevy?


Yep. 12 bucks for budget cigarettes where the tobacco includes whatever lumber they can throw in the shredder and 16 bucks for premium brands.
They are packs of 25.
Canadian cigarettes are different than American. I don't know why but American cigarettes seem to burn faster and feel more loosely rolled than Canadian ones.
When I lived in Detroit I smoked camel red. They were the closest to Canadian I could find however even they felt like they burned faster.
But they were 3 bucks for 20 packs vs 10-12 bucks for 25s at the time.

 

[suspiciousmind]

If you're seriously thinking about quitting cigs, dump the e-cig and all within four months.

 

[spasm3]

Quitting is the best thing you can do if you want to maintain blood flow to your legs ( and coronary arteries) when you get older.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Quitting is not that hard, once you find ways to avoid or eliminate triggers to smoke. You also need to stop thinking about them and register hate thoughts instead. It's a disgusting habit that creates a void in your wallet, bad smell on your breath and clothes, harm to your inner body and others thru 2nd hand smoke.

I smoked for 38 years and quit on a dime / cold turkey. I didn't even know 90 minutes prior that the cigarette-butt I just put-out would be my last one ever. I never planned or pre-planned quitting. I just got up from my recliner and made my usual steps to arrive outdoors to smoke. I got one room away from the back door and decided to quit .... right then & there.

I threw out my remaining half pack into the garbage can - along with 3-4 ashtrays I had, then gave my Bic-Lighter to my neighbor.

Never looked back after that. Only time I had moderate withdrawals for the next several months, was when I drank beer or ate. I used gum and hard candy drops to curb that problem, until it subsided.

It takes some degree of willpower to quit. Just give yourself reasons to quit and find ways to hate that monster habit.

 

[Clevy]

If you're seriously thinking about quitting cigs, dump the e-cig and all within four months


This isn't really smoking. Like I've said a few times already I didn't want to quit.
The point of this thread was to inform our smoking members about this vaporizer I found that could help them eliminate cigarettes since the vaporizer mimics the actions included in the actual smoking of a cigarette and less harmful.
And if in Canada its cheaper.
Vision vaporizer if anyone is interested. I've never seen them before until my girl came home with it last week.

 

[TTK]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
It's a good start, and at least you're trying.

Originally Posted By: TTK
and don't worry too much about the nicotine. It is about as bad for you as caffeine from coffee.


Nonsense. Nicotine is a natural insecticide produced by the tobacco plant to protect itself against insects. It takes just 50 to 60 mg of nicotine to kill a 160 pound human (about 3 drops), it would take 10,000 mg of caffeine to do the same.


Poisons are all based on "dose". There are many poisons we consume daily but at very low "doses". And nicotine is also produced by many other plants, many of which we consume as food. Finally, we are not insects, and many things we consume daily are insecticides, or will kill insects.
From Tobaccoharmreduction.org
"A lot of anti-nicotine advocates try to scare people by saying things that while scientifically accurate, are just designed to confuse. Tobacco plants produce nicotine as a natural insecticide, and this can be concentrated for use as an artificial insecticide. This should not come as a shock. Mmany of the chemicals in plants that we like are part of the plants' defense mechanisms. Pretty much every plant we eat or do anything else with contains natural insecticides. It just happens that this chemical, which sometimes poisons insects, also provides an effect that some people like.

It is also true that a drop of pure nicotine can be deadly, and that if you concentrated the nicotine from a pack of cigarettes (or a can of snuff, or a box of pharmaceutical nicotine products) and put it into your body all at once, it would likely be fatal. But, again, so what? Nicotine users are never exposed to pure nicotine and never take in that much all at once. If you took your typical day's worth of food and stuffed it in your mouth all at once, that would probably kill you too, even though it would be harmless if you took the usual time. This may seem like a silly analogy but it is no more silly than saying that a huge dose of nicotine, delivered all at once, would be deadly. Neither one says anything about the safety of normal use.

Keep in mind the saying from toxicology: "The dose makes the poison." Enough of anything, delivered fast enough, is deadly (including food or water). For many medicines you have on your shelf, ingesting the entire bottle at once would be deadly.

In any case, it is best to go back to the scientific evidence. Long term users of nicotine who do not smoke (ST users) suffer few ill effects from their habits, as we describe above. If nicotine were deadly, we would expect to see a lot of these people die prematurely. We do not see that."

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: TTK
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
It's a good start, and at least you're trying.

Originally Posted By: TTK
and don't worry too much about the nicotine. It is about as bad for you as caffeine from coffee.


Nonsense. Nicotine is a natural insecticide produced by the tobacco plant to protect itself against insects. It takes just 50 to 60 mg of nicotine to kill a 160 pound human (about 3 drops), it would take 10,000 mg of caffeine to do the same.


Poisons are all based on "dose". There are many poisons we consume daily but at very low "doses". And nicotine is also produced by many other plants, many of which we consume as food. Finally, we are not insects, and many things we consume daily are insecticides, or will kill insects.
From Tobaccoharmreduction.org
"A lot of anti-nicotine advocates try to scare people by saying things that while scientifically accurate, are just designed to confuse. Tobacco plants produce nicotine as a natural insecticide, and this can be concentrated for use as an artificial insecticide. This should not come as a shock. Mmany of the chemicals in plants that we like are part of the plants' defense mechanisms. Pretty much every plant we eat or do anything else with contains natural insecticides. It just happens that this chemical, which sometimes poisons insects, also provides an effect that some people like.

It is also true that a drop of pure nicotine can be deadly, and that if you concentrated the nicotine from a pack of cigarettes (or a can of snuff, or a box of pharmaceutical nicotine products) and put it into your body all at once, it would likely be fatal. But, again, so what? Nicotine users are never exposed to pure nicotine and never take in that much all at once. If you took your typical day's worth of food and stuffed it in your mouth all at once, that would probably kill you too, even though it would be harmless if you took the usual time. This may seem like a silly analogy but it is no more silly than saying that a huge dose of nicotine, delivered all at once, would be deadly. Neither one says anything about the safety of normal use.

Keep in mind the saying from toxicology: "The dose makes the poison." Enough of anything, delivered fast enough, is deadly (including food or water). For many medicines you have on your shelf, ingesting the entire bottle at once would be deadly.

In any case, it is best to go back to the scientific evidence. Long term users of nicotine who do not smoke (ST users) suffer few ill effects from their habits, as we describe above. If nicotine were deadly, we would expect to see a lot of these people die prematurely. We do not see that."


Interesting.
Thanks for the post

 

[TTK]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Quitting is not that hard, once you find ways to avoid or eliminate triggers to smoke. You also need to stop thinking about them and register hate thoughts instead. It's a disgusting habit that creates a void in your wallet, bad smell on your breath and clothes, harm to your inner body and others thru 2nd hand smoke.

I smoked for 38 years and quit on a dime / cold turkey. I didn't even know 90 minutes prior that the cigarette-butt I just put-out would be my last one ever. I never planned or pre-planned quitting. I just got up from my recliner and made my usual steps to arrive outdoors to smoke. I got one room away from the back door and decided to quit .... right then & there.

I threw out my remaining half pack into the garbage can - along with 3-4 ashtrays I had, then gave my Bic-Lighter to my neighbor.

Never looked back after that. Only time I had moderate withdrawals for the next several months, was when I drank beer or ate. I used gum and hard candy drops to curb that problem, until it subsided.

It takes some degree of willpower to quit. Just give yourself reasons to quit and find ways to hate that monster habit.


Not that hard for you. And congratulations, BTW. But, addiction to "whatever" is not the same for all people. Some are more dependent than others. In tobacco smoke there are many chemicals that are addictive,not just the nicotine. Actually, absence the other chemicals in tobacco, nicotine is really not that addictive, at least not more so than caffeine. Also, the rituals associated with smoking and other forms of tobacco use are also addictive.

 

[Hermann]

Having quit 17 years ago, IMO there is only one way to truly quit. COLD TURKEY. In 3 to 4 days the addiction is over. I tried to taper many times. Its just like withdrawing from opiates. A few days of H E L L, for a lifetime of freedom. Sorry to be so blunt.

 

[nitehawk55]

Originally Posted By: Hermann
Having quit 17 years ago, IMO there is only one way to truly quit. COLD TURKEY. In 3 to 4 days the addiction is over. I tried to taper many times. Its just like withdrawing from opiates. A few days of H E L L, for a lifetime of freedom. Sorry to be so blunt.


Yep + 1
You have to man up , know you'll have issues for at least 2 weeks but the most important factor in quitting is to be 100% committed in your mind you're going to do it and nothing is going to stop you .

I quit cold turkey back in 1981 and never looked back .

Just think of how much $$$ you'll save , it really adds up . Enough that you could likely buy a new car with what you spend on something that is bad for you and goes up in smoke with nothing to show .

 

[Schmoe]

I quit about two years ago and used a vaporizer. Try this, gradually start getting your juices to 0 mg of nicotine. It will slowly wean you off of nicotine before you know it. And nicotine is not a carcinogen...nicotine has a IDLH of 35 mg/m3.....whereas sulfuric acid is 15 mg/m3....

 

[suspiciousmind]

Originally Posted By: Clevy

If you're seriously thinking about quitting cigs, dump the e-cig and all within four months


This isn't really smoking. Like I've said a few times already I didn't want to quit.
The point of this thread was to inform our smoking members about this vaporizer I found that could help them eliminate cigarettes since the vaporizer mimics the actions included in the actual smoking of a cigarette and less harmful.
And if in Canada its cheaper.
Vision vaporizer if anyone is interested. I've never seen them before until my girl came home with it last week.


Understood. I'm just giving my input from my own personal experience...ymmv.

I decided to try e-cigs back in January. Vision spinner and others too. I was fine without tobacco but I got frustrated with the flaky production of the various accessories...batteries, cartos, e-juices, etc....and gradually lost interest and went back to cigarettes. Poor chinese quality control.

There was a window of opportunity to do neither without much suffering and I passed it by and resumed tobacco.

I wasn't really trying to quit but looked at it as an experiment. I felt much better not smoking and will give it another go for real. Maybe for New Years.