Question about Plug-In Hybrid Audi

[GrumpyCat]

I can repair or rebuild almost any automotive engine and many transmissions and diff but I cannot rebuild a battery pack which cost over 22K for that Audi part only. A brand new 2.0 gas engine for that car is less than half that, I can buy a brand new short block for under 3K for that car.

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/battery/80a915100k/

So you can't do it therefore it is impossible and nobody can do it.

You can pick and chose your vehicle for your "new short block $3000" so can I pick and chose a PHEV with cheap rebuildable battery? Clearly one can not replace any Audi engine for $3k. $3k would be a start paying labor costs. The topic is an Audi PHEV.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Let's not despair. It's an Audi. There is still an engine on it, which will likely need replacement before the battery goes belly up.

Prius ICE can not move the vehicle if the hybrid system is out of order. And TTBOMK this applies to all Toyota hybrids and PHEVs. Battery is necessary to spin the little MG to start the ICE. Battery is necessary to balance MG1 and MG2 so the ICE's torque can reach the wheels.

 

[CleanSump]

She asked, you gave. Done. If she doesn't take the advice, oh well. Got a few nieces and nephews who always ask me and seldom do as suggested because they've already decided and were just seeking affirmation. Like 4' 11" niece buying a Navigator and then complaining about gas, it's hard to see out of, and it's hard to park in town. I stay quiet and don't say I told you so.

 

[Trav]

So you can't do it therefore it is impossible and nobody can do it.

You can pick and chose your vehicle for your "new short block $3000" so can I pick and chose a PHEV with cheap rebuildable battery? Clearly one can not replace any Audi engine for $3k. $3k would be a start paying labor costs. The topic is an Audi PHEV.

Wrong, it is a Gen 3 2.0T lots of new short blocks around for these as well as brand new cyl heads for under 2K.
It is a 1 day job even for me at 68 years old. These engines are very reliable and will probably never need a full engine replacement if it gets at least some maintenance like regular oil changes.

 

[JD!]

I really don't think this has anything to do with this thread. Toyotas have had hybrid battery packs go hundreds of thousands of miles and the Toyota hybrid setup is generally considered reliable. Are you saying Audi is significantly worse? You openly state that you "have minimal evidence to back these up"

If it's anything like... the entire rest of the car... yes, the Audi hybrid system is probably less reliable than the Toyota hybrid system.

Also, about Toyota hybrid battery packs...

The Toyota PHEVs are still relatively new, and they weren't terribly popular until recently. The older packs which are renowned for their general longevity but these are NiMH and not a good comparison to the NMC Li-Ion battery in an Audi PHEV. Furthermore, in the familiar hybrid format (i.e. Prius), the high voltage battery is severely restricted in the state of charge range the user is allowed to access - it's been a while since I've looked, but I believe it's around 40-70% absolute SOC, with the extremes being reached infrequently.

Compare this to a PHEV which typically allows for the use of 15-85% as a general estimate (I believe the Toyota Prime models typically kick on the engine around 12-14%), and hopefully you understand my concern with constantly loitering in the 10-15% range.

 

[SEBZX79]

Price a new battery for the fun of it.

Why it's like pricing a new engine.... Seems like batteries are doing better then engines these days.