Hi all. I have a PureOne in my stash and have decided to use it for a shorter interval due to the media tear issue. Shall I do the same with the Distance+ filters in my stash? I am advised that Purolator makes them too.
Question about Bosch Distance Plus
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Originally Posted By: Cristobal
Hi all. I have a PureOne in my stash and have decided to use it for a shorter interval due to the media tear issue. Shall I do the same with the Distance+ filters in my stash? I am advised that Purolator makes them too.
I thought champ labs makes Purolator...
However you might want to look at FRAM TOUGH GAURD and better yet FRAM ULTRA.
The Fram Ultra is the filter that is a good price and does a great job and is easy to find at a fair price.
However again, I thought CHAMP Labs made Purolator.
Hi all. I have a PureOne in my stash and have decided to use it for a shorter interval due to the media tear issue. Shall I do the same with the Distance+ filters in my stash? I am advised that Purolator makes them too.
I thought champ labs makes Purolator...
However you might want to look at FRAM TOUGH GAURD and better yet FRAM ULTRA.
The Fram Ultra is the filter that is a good price and does a great job and is easy to find at a fair price.
However again, I thought CHAMP Labs made Purolator.
I would ask tearalator for a new one and not run it, not worth the $6
i agree i would not take the chance find another oil filter favorite some on here like fram tg
Don't think the Bosch D+ have the same issues being as they are more robust than the PureOne AFAIk.
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Don't think the Bosch D+ have the same issues being as they are more robust than the PureOne AFAIk.
+1 ... no reports of Distance Plus - which has some kind of synthetic/blend media, but there were some regular Bosch filters with reported tears. See the link in the first post, which is an Excel spreadsheet showing the reported tears by BITOG members.
Link: List of Torn Filters
Don't think the Bosch D+ have the same issues being as they are more robust than the PureOne AFAIk.
+1 ... no reports of Distance Plus - which has some kind of synthetic/blend media, but there were some regular Bosch filters with reported tears. See the link in the first post, which is an Excel spreadsheet showing the reported tears by BITOG members.
Link: List of Torn Filters
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2367134&page=all
Here is a comparison of two, you tell me.
Here is a comparison of two, you tell me.
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2367134&page=all
Here is a comparison of two, you tell me.
Obviously they have different media, you can the difference in the photos.
Says here that the Distance Plus uses "Advanced Synthetic Fiber Media".
Link: Distance Plus Info
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2367134&page=all
Here is a comparison of two, you tell me.
Obviously they have different media, you can the difference in the photos.
Says here that the Distance Plus uses "Advanced Synthetic Fiber Media".
Link: Distance Plus Info
Yep i would conclude they use a different media as well.
I read on here a while ago that in the USA Purolator makes Bosch filters - they're both the same apart from the box they come in. (don't know if this is still true or if production has changed?)
In Europe, Bosch filters are made in Germany at the Bosch plant, they're as robust and reliable as Mahle, Mann or Hengst.
Try Ebay.co.uk or Ebay.de for authentic Bosch, Mahle, Mann and Hengst filters that are NOT made under license or farmed out to the lowest bidder.
Re-branding and Brand Engineering seem to be rife in the US - To me it seems like quite a disingenuous way to behave toward the consumer, but what do I know?
In Europe, Bosch filters are made in Germany at the Bosch plant, they're as robust and reliable as Mahle, Mann or Hengst.
Try Ebay.co.uk or Ebay.de for authentic Bosch, Mahle, Mann and Hengst filters that are NOT made under license or farmed out to the lowest bidder.
Re-branding and Brand Engineering seem to be rife in the US - To me it seems like quite a disingenuous way to behave toward the consumer, but what do I know?
I would say to use them and cut them open when you're OCI is done. This will either instill confidence in the filters or turn you away from future purchaces.
I will cut open all of my filters after my OCI and see how they've held up.
I will cut open all of my filters after my OCI and see how they've held up.
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Originally Posted By: Olas
I read on here a while ago that in the USA Purolator makes Bosch filters - they're both the same apart from the box they come in. (don't know if this is still true or if production has changed?)......
When it comes to the Bosch Premium and P1 that would be close to true. Can and sealing gasket are different but otherwise virtually the same. (Same for Mann and Puro Classic spin on made in the US)
Not so for the topic'd Bosch Distance Plus. There is no similar match in the Purolator line up. The BD+ has a more than double rated holding capacity and a thicker can. I ran one 13.5k miles over two oci's as shown in this thread. So, in my experience with the BD+ I would not shorten the fci. But, that's your call.
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Re-branding and Brand Engineering seem to be rife in the US - To me it seems like quite a disingenuous way to behave toward the consumer, but what do I know?
I'd say if one has a problem with the way Bosch and Mann manufacture their filters' in the US for the US market, one should take that issue up with them. Considering that Bosch and Mann&Hummel co-owned Purolator and now Mann&Hummel solely, if any disingenuousness is involved that rests entirely with the owner. In this case Mann&Hummel.
I read on here a while ago that in the USA Purolator makes Bosch filters - they're both the same apart from the box they come in. (don't know if this is still true or if production has changed?)......
When it comes to the Bosch Premium and P1 that would be close to true. Can and sealing gasket are different but otherwise virtually the same. (Same for Mann and Puro Classic spin on made in the US)
Not so for the topic'd Bosch Distance Plus. There is no similar match in the Purolator line up. The BD+ has a more than double rated holding capacity and a thicker can. I ran one 13.5k miles over two oci's as shown in this thread. So, in my experience with the BD+ I would not shorten the fci. But, that's your call.
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Re-branding and Brand Engineering seem to be rife in the US - To me it seems like quite a disingenuous way to behave toward the consumer, but what do I know?
I'd say if one has a problem with the way Bosch and Mann manufacture their filters' in the US for the US market, one should take that issue up with them. Considering that Bosch and Mann&Hummel co-owned Purolator and now Mann&Hummel solely, if any disingenuousness is involved that rests entirely with the owner. In this case Mann&Hummel.
No issues with the last D+ I ran for 7.5k...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3290644/Bosch_D3441_Cut_Open#Post3290644
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3290644/Bosch_D3441_Cut_Open#Post3290644
I have a used D+ waiting to go to the recycler that I want to cut open shortly. I have about 5 new D+ for my Odyssey so I am quite interested in seeing if there are any tears. Here is one someone else posted the other day...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3365685/Bosch_D+_Cut_Open
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3365685/Bosch_D+_Cut_Open
Originally Posted By: David1
I thought champ labs makes Purolator...
Nope. Purolator has always been its own company.
Champion (now owned by FRAM) makes Mobil 1 and Royal Purple, along with a bazillion private-label brands. They also make the filters fitted at the factory by Ford, however aftermarket Motorcraft filters are made by Purolater.
Champ also USED to make K&N, but that manufacturing has been sent offshore...to Korea IIRC.
I thought champ labs makes Purolator...
Nope. Purolator has always been its own company.
Champion (now owned by FRAM) makes Mobil 1 and Royal Purple, along with a bazillion private-label brands. They also make the filters fitted at the factory by Ford, however aftermarket Motorcraft filters are made by Purolater.
Champ also USED to make K&N, but that manufacturing has been sent offshore...to Korea IIRC.
Originally Posted By: Olas
Re-branding and Brand Engineering seem to be rife in the US - To me it seems like quite a disingenuous way to behave toward the consumer, but what do I know?
You're quite correct, but there is some clarification needed. The Bosch filters for North American and Japanese applications will be basically P1 clones, while Mann filters for those applications will be Purolator Classic clones. If you have a German car, the Bosch or Mann you get here will be the "real European" Bosch or Mann.
Bosch or Mann using Purolator to make filters for the North American and Japanese applications shouldn't really be considered manufacturing under license or manufacturing farmed out to the lowest bidder. After all, it was a joint venture, and companies form joint ventures for reasons just like this. For an average North American or Japanese application with a modest OCI, the Purolator Classic has been considered a fine choice for many years, and I had no issues using Bosch Premiums (P1 clones), either.
So, I don't take offence at Bosch being a rebranded P1 for the G37 while being a real made in Germany Bosch for the old Audi. However, I don't like where Purolator's QC has gone, so would avoid a Bosch Premium for the G37 for the time being, but would have no problem using a Bosch for the Audi. Fortunately, I do know the difference, while many consumers do not. Rebranding is common, for better or for worse, in North America.
Look at it this way. When I had the old Audi, I could find whatever part I wanted relatively easily and at a good price, from an original equipment supplier. European parts are generally stamped with the part number. A good parts site, with the part number entered into the search engine, will provide good results. But, if I want something right now and even cheaper, it's hard to beat something like the F-150 (or something more current yet similarly common), where everyone wants a piece of the parts pie.
Re-branding and Brand Engineering seem to be rife in the US - To me it seems like quite a disingenuous way to behave toward the consumer, but what do I know?
You're quite correct, but there is some clarification needed. The Bosch filters for North American and Japanese applications will be basically P1 clones, while Mann filters for those applications will be Purolator Classic clones. If you have a German car, the Bosch or Mann you get here will be the "real European" Bosch or Mann.
Bosch or Mann using Purolator to make filters for the North American and Japanese applications shouldn't really be considered manufacturing under license or manufacturing farmed out to the lowest bidder. After all, it was a joint venture, and companies form joint ventures for reasons just like this. For an average North American or Japanese application with a modest OCI, the Purolator Classic has been considered a fine choice for many years, and I had no issues using Bosch Premiums (P1 clones), either.
So, I don't take offence at Bosch being a rebranded P1 for the G37 while being a real made in Germany Bosch for the old Audi. However, I don't like where Purolator's QC has gone, so would avoid a Bosch Premium for the G37 for the time being, but would have no problem using a Bosch for the Audi. Fortunately, I do know the difference, while many consumers do not. Rebranding is common, for better or for worse, in North America.
Look at it this way. When I had the old Audi, I could find whatever part I wanted relatively easily and at a good price, from an original equipment supplier. European parts are generally stamped with the part number. A good parts site, with the part number entered into the search engine, will provide good results. But, if I want something right now and even cheaper, it's hard to beat something like the F-150 (or something more current yet similarly common), where everyone wants a piece of the parts pie.
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