What is the deal with QS back in the 70's everybody said QS would sludge up engines. Now people say it is not the same oil. Does it still sludge up engines. I am going to run Pennzoil Ultra 5-20 for the first time. I found out they come from the same factory is that true. It will be my first oil change on my new f-150.
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Nothing is the same as it was in the 70s, esp oil. QS is good stuff. Use with confidence.
oh my god youre gonna use Pennzoil Ultra 5w20 in your truck!?! Youre gonna wax it all up! have fun replacing yoour engine in 5k miles!
ahha smh i thought of that at the top of my head^^ see how easy it is to start a rumor?
NO PENN OR QS SLUDGE if used correctly
same with any oil though....
I wonder if this rumor started because maybe just maybe Jiffy Lubes problem goes all the way back to day 1 of not doing peoples oil changes, I mean, modern day engines usually a 3k oci is over kill, but in the late 70's early 80's 3k was usually dead on between the vehicles and grade of oil/technology.... So MAYBE it isnt the oils fault, as people like to blame it on, but the place that was SUPPOSED to do your oils fault!
ahha smh i thought of that at the top of my head^^ see how easy it is to start a rumor?
NO PENN OR QS SLUDGE if used correctly
I wonder if this rumor started because maybe just maybe Jiffy Lubes problem goes all the way back to day 1 of not doing peoples oil changes, I mean, modern day engines usually a 3k oci is over kill, but in the late 70's early 80's 3k was usually dead on between the vehicles and grade of oil/technology.... So MAYBE it isnt the oils fault, as people like to blame it on, but the place that was SUPPOSED to do your oils fault!
I'm sorry but I lose track. Are not Pennzoil, Shell and Quaker State all part of SOPUS?
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
I'm sorry but I lose track. Are not Pennzoil, Shell and Quaker State all part of SOPUS?
Yes SOPUS makes QS, PENN, SHELL, GUMOUT, and a few more well known names of oil/oil additives/fuel additives
I'm sorry but I lose track. Are not Pennzoil, Shell and Quaker State all part of SOPUS?
Yes SOPUS makes QS, PENN, SHELL, GUMOUT, and a few more well known names of oil/oil additives/fuel additives
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
I'm sorry but I lose track. Are not Pennzoil, Shell and Quaker State all part of SOPUS?
Yes, indeed they are and all are fantastic oils. This rumor has been so ingrained into society, at least among diy oil changers, it's not at all true but still lives today. I used Pennzoil throught the '70's without a single issue my dad used Quaker State without issue in the'60's and '70's hed did the 3k oci and i was the rebel doing 4k. Just on a whim i switched to Valvoline and ran it for the next 20 years and don't have a clue why i quit using Valvoline. Point being i have never had a dirty or failed engine. So long as you keep the oil changed at a decent interval you'll not have a problem regardless of the oil used. I am currently experimenting with synthetic but if i don't see any marked results i will be going back to my conventional oil routine.
I'm sorry but I lose track. Are not Pennzoil, Shell and Quaker State all part of SOPUS?
Yes, indeed they are and all are fantastic oils. This rumor has been so ingrained into society, at least among diy oil changers, it's not at all true but still lives today. I used Pennzoil throught the '70's without a single issue my dad used Quaker State without issue in the'60's and '70's hed did the 3k oci and i was the rebel doing 4k. Just on a whim i switched to Valvoline and ran it for the next 20 years and don't have a clue why i quit using Valvoline. Point being i have never had a dirty or failed engine. So long as you keep the oil changed at a decent interval you'll not have a problem regardless of the oil used. I am currently experimenting with synthetic but if i don't see any marked results i will be going back to my conventional oil routine.
Thanks guys for setting me stright, I have been using synthetics in all of my car and truck with great service. But never SOPUS products. I lot of guys are getting great service with Pennzoil Ultra and I can buy it at a great price. Is it any better or worse then platinum? I have used amsoil for years but it is hard to get your hands on and the dealer gives my [censored] over it because the type I was using did not have a API lable on it. So I thought I would change to Pennzoil..
When I was a line mechanic in the late '90's for a large dealership in Kansas City, I remember a lot of cars coming in with oil consumption problems. We tore a couple of them down, and found that the rings were stuck, and were badly sludged. When I asked what oil had been used, the answer was invariably Quaker State or Pennzoil. We discovered that we could clean the engines out and free the rings, in most cases, by draining all the oil out and running the engines for about 5 minutes with only kerosene in the crankcase. Of course, you couldn't use Fram filters during this time, as they plugged too quickly, and the kerosene would loosen the cardboard end caps, so we used Purolators. Then we would tell the owners to use Valvoline from then on, because it uses napthenic base oils instead of those sludgy paraffinic oils.
None of the above is true. I just wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to come off as an expert and spout misinformation. I've never worked as an auto mechanic.
I should probably delete this post so it doesn't start showing up in Google searches about motor oil!
None of the above is true. I just wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to come off as an expert and spout misinformation. I've never worked as an auto mechanic.
I should probably delete this post so it doesn't start showing up in Google searches about motor oil!
Seen (not bright) mechanics run kero or diesel in place of oil-amazing how fast a set of rod bearings fail doing that! Pennzoil Ultra is probably the best cleaning synthetic oil around-and all the SOPUS oils are good at what they do when used intelligently. Unless an engine is a major sludger or is abused-pretty hard to go wrong with a major label oil these days.
Originally Posted By: YANCEY
Thanks guys for setting me stright, I have been using synthetics in all of my car and truck with great service. But never SOPUS products. I lot of guys are getting great service with Pennzoil Ultra and I can buy it at a great price. Is it any better or worse then platinum? I have used amsoil for years but it is hard to get your hands on and the dealer gives my [censored] over it because the type I was using did not have a API lable on it. So I thought I would change to Pennzoil..
Pennzoil (Shell) Ultra is their top PCMO (Passenger Car Motor Oil) Synthetic. Its the factory fill for Ferrari.
SOPUS PCMO Synthetics and their relative position.
1. Pennzoil Ultra
2. Pennzoil Platinum
3. Quaker State Ultimate Durability
4. Formula Shell Synthetic
Thanks guys for setting me stright, I have been using synthetics in all of my car and truck with great service. But never SOPUS products. I lot of guys are getting great service with Pennzoil Ultra and I can buy it at a great price. Is it any better or worse then platinum? I have used amsoil for years but it is hard to get your hands on and the dealer gives my [censored] over it because the type I was using did not have a API lable on it. So I thought I would change to Pennzoil..
Pennzoil (Shell) Ultra is their top PCMO (Passenger Car Motor Oil) Synthetic. Its the factory fill for Ferrari.
SOPUS PCMO Synthetics and their relative position.
1. Pennzoil Ultra
2. Pennzoil Platinum
3. Quaker State Ultimate Durability
4. Formula Shell Synthetic
qs defy is my only oil of choice.
Originally Posted By: YANCEY
What is the deal with QS back in the 70's everybody said QS would sludge up engines.
It certainly isn't true now, and in my experience, it wasn't true back then. The fault was with human nature, not the oil. It's far easier to blame the oil than it is to blame one's own shoddy maintenance procedures (rarely changing oil, never touching the PCV valve), leaded gasoline, carbs that were routinely out of spec, baling twine based emissions controls.... Of course, the oils weren't as good as they are now. But, that's only part of the picture.
Castrol got the sludge rep, as did QS, and Pennzoil. Was this because they were causing sludge, or simply because they were the most prevalent oils in the market (and still are)?
Originally Posted By: Stelth
When I was a line mechanic in the late '90's for a large dealership in Kansas City....
That was pretty hilarious.
What is the deal with QS back in the 70's everybody said QS would sludge up engines.
It certainly isn't true now, and in my experience, it wasn't true back then. The fault was with human nature, not the oil. It's far easier to blame the oil than it is to blame one's own shoddy maintenance procedures (rarely changing oil, never touching the PCV valve), leaded gasoline, carbs that were routinely out of spec, baling twine based emissions controls.... Of course, the oils weren't as good as they are now. But, that's only part of the picture.
Castrol got the sludge rep, as did QS, and Pennzoil. Was this because they were causing sludge, or simply because they were the most prevalent oils in the market (and still are)?
Originally Posted By: Stelth
When I was a line mechanic in the late '90's for a large dealership in Kansas City....
That was pretty hilarious.
SOPUS - QS, PENN, SHELL make some of the most respected oils available...use any that meet your engines spec with complete confidence.
Originally Posted By: YANCEY
Yes you guys are right about people not serviceing when they should. Ford puts motorcraft 5w-20 in all the trucks at the dealer. It is made by phillips/ conoco right? The same prople that make kendel?
But motorcraft is closer to TropArtic than Kendall in formulation.
Yes you guys are right about people not serviceing when they should. Ford puts motorcraft 5w-20 in all the trucks at the dealer. It is made by phillips/ conoco right? The same prople that make kendel?
But motorcraft is closer to TropArtic than Kendall in formulation.
Direct from SOPUS tech support:
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The answer to your first question is that Pennzoil Platinum is one of the leading Synthetic oil in the market. At this time we are waiting for the data from the comparisons to other Synthetic oils.
Next, most engine lubricating oils today are made from paraffinic crude oil. Paraffinic crude oil is recognized for its ability to resist thinning and thickening with temperature, as well as its lubricating properties and resistance to oxidation (sludge-forming tendencies). In the refining process, the paraffinic crude oil is broken down into many different products. One of the products is wax, and others are gasoline, kerosene, lubricating oils, asphalt, etc. Virtually every oil company uses paraffinic base stocks in blending its conventional engine oil products.
Many people believe the term paraffinic to be synonymous with wax. Some have the misconception that paraffinic oils will coat the engine with a wax film that can result in engine deposits. This is not true. The confusion exists because paraffinic molecules can form wax crystals at low temperatures. In lubricating oils, this wax is removed in a refining process called de-waxing. Wax is a premium product obtained from crude oil, and to help us produce the highest-quality base stocks available.
We use base stocks with the minimum amount of wax possible. The end result is a motor oil product formulated with premium lubricating base oil. Then as for you maintenance schedule, it should be done to the manufacture specifications. Lastly, Shell purchased Pennzoil/Quaker State about 6 yrs ago and keep the product lines. Should you desire to speak with a technical representative to discuss this issue in more detail please call Pennzoil-Quaker State Technical Information at 1-800-458-4998
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The above is in response to my question to SOPUS about paraffin in motor oils. Hope that answers your questions.
Cordially,
RicD
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The answer to your first question is that Pennzoil Platinum is one of the leading Synthetic oil in the market. At this time we are waiting for the data from the comparisons to other Synthetic oils.
Next, most engine lubricating oils today are made from paraffinic crude oil. Paraffinic crude oil is recognized for its ability to resist thinning and thickening with temperature, as well as its lubricating properties and resistance to oxidation (sludge-forming tendencies). In the refining process, the paraffinic crude oil is broken down into many different products. One of the products is wax, and others are gasoline, kerosene, lubricating oils, asphalt, etc. Virtually every oil company uses paraffinic base stocks in blending its conventional engine oil products.
Many people believe the term paraffinic to be synonymous with wax. Some have the misconception that paraffinic oils will coat the engine with a wax film that can result in engine deposits. This is not true. The confusion exists because paraffinic molecules can form wax crystals at low temperatures. In lubricating oils, this wax is removed in a refining process called de-waxing. Wax is a premium product obtained from crude oil, and to help us produce the highest-quality base stocks available.
We use base stocks with the minimum amount of wax possible. The end result is a motor oil product formulated with premium lubricating base oil. Then as for you maintenance schedule, it should be done to the manufacture specifications. Lastly, Shell purchased Pennzoil/Quaker State about 6 yrs ago and keep the product lines. Should you desire to speak with a technical representative to discuss this issue in more detail please call Pennzoil-Quaker State Technical Information at 1-800-458-4998
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The above is in response to my question to SOPUS about paraffin in motor oils. Hope that answers your questions.
Cordially,
RicD
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