Purolator Synthetic PSL24651 Cutopen

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That filter (remember it's a syn media which has higher capacity than cellulose) is rated to carry around 29 grams of material. The statistic I was given is that the "average" filter (rated for ~15g) in the "average" car at the "average" OCI (7.5K) is loaded to less than 50% of capacity at the time it's changed. So lets make it 7.5g/7.5K mile, or 1g/1000 miles to make it simple. Stretch that out to 20K and you have 20g of material in that Puro filter, roughly 70% loaded. That's well within my safety factor. The laws of averages are better than WAGS any day. You really can't tell much by looking.

20K IS pushing the envelope in some ways, not the least of which is running the filter well past the mfrs "warranty" period. In the unlikely event of a failure, the mfr could deny a claim, stating their 10K mile rating. Even though it's silicon, the ADBV could begin to harden due to heat aging. Bypass spring could fatigue, yada, yada. The syn media is pretty safe from deterioration.

All that said, I still think this filter was within its safety factor... just a lot closer to than most people take it. He got his money's worth outta that filter and then some.
 
Nice job! I'm becoming much more comfortable with multiple OCIs on a filter, especially the high capacity ones. Pretty sure I'd have to work my way up to 20k miles though!
 
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
Beautiful.

We've broken the 3k mile oil change barrier, now we need to work on the multiple OCI per quality filter barrier.

IMO....it will take a few years for the old timers to change habits and come around.

BlueOval is a case in point!
 
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
Beautiful.

We've broken the 3k mile oil change barrier, now we need to work on the multiple OCI per quality filter barrier.

IMO....it will take a few years for the old timers to change habits and come around.

BlueOval is a case in point!


He's waiting for the aliens to come down to abduct him into the mother-ship, and show him all the technical data and test results to prove it's OK to use an oil filter for 2 OCIs.
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Originally Posted By: cp3
Nice job! I'm becoming much more comfortable with multiple OCIs on a filter, especially the high capacity ones. Pretty sure I'd have to work my way up to 20k miles though!

Good to see another convert. I think we'll win them one by one....but it will take a few years...and not all will come around.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
We've broken the 3k mile oil change barrier, now we need to work on the multiple OCI per quality filter barrier.

NEVER!
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I agree with my fellow Cajun.
 
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
I cut open filters all the time and frequently on one OCI see very little light when the pleats are pulled out and stretched flat and held up to a lamp. I won't run them multiple OCIs.

That's very scientific.

I don't know why you would think it is scientific. But if you are being sarcastic, please note that I never claimed it to be scientific. It is one thing I can look at and at least stay on the conservative side of not overusing the filter.

It's a full-flow oil filter. You can use them all the way up to bypass with maximum filtration assuming filter construction is permitting.

True, it will never plug in the sense that you always will get flow, but the more the filter element is filled in, the more likely it will go into bypass more often. Also the closer the filter media comes to bypass pressure, the more back pressure on the pump, the more wear--probably insignificant though.

Might be good to dig up some old Gary Allan posts. He rigged up a car with two pressure gauges, one on either side of the oil filter and posted results. Probably 5 to 7 years ago I am guessing.
 
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Might be good to dig up some old Gary Allan posts. He rigged up a car with two pressure gauges, one on either side of the oil filter and posted results. Probably 5 to 7 years ago I am guessing.


Jim Allen is doing that on his truck right now. Sounds like he's been collecting data for a while and will someday post up some kind of report I would hope.
 
I do have a DP gauge setup and have been datalogging in various conditions. As time permits I will collate the data and post it. I have posted some of it, which you can dig for if you might find it of value.

I will soon be testing a batch of oil filters for their new-state DP as well.

Gary was my inspiration for installing the gauges. Great guy on the web and in person! RIP.
 
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Pure One : 99.9% (20mc)
Purolator synthetic: 99% (25mc). Much more... :-(

That is why I still prefer Pure One.

p.s. By the way, Motorcraft filters=Purolator Classic(97.5% at 20mc) or Pure One (99.9% at 20mc)?
 
Originally Posted By: Izb
....p.s. By the way, Motorcraft filters=Purolator Classic(97.5% at 20mc) or Pure One (99.9% at 20mc)?

Majority Puro Classics are 97.5%@20um. The Motorcraft FL820S has ISO tested ~94%@20um in Amsoil testing. If not for that, as it's oem, it's efficiency would likely have remained a question mark. The FL820S was the only Motorcraft oil filter tested.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: Izb
....p.s. By the way, Motorcraft filters=Purolator Classic(97.5% at 20mc) or Pure One (99.9% at 20mc)?

Majority Puro Classics are 97.5%@20um. The Motorcraft FL820S has ISO tested ~94%@20um in Amsoil testing. If not for that, as it's oem, it's efficiency would likely have remained a question mark. The FL820S was the only Motorcraft oil filter tested.


Yep, even though the Motorcraft filters seem to be a "Purolator Classic" clone, the media in the MC must be different since the efficiency (per Amsoil independent ISO test) is different from the Classic.
 
Originally Posted By: Izb
Pure One : 99.9% (20mc)
Purolator synthetic: 99% (25mc). Much more... :-(

That is why I still prefer Pure One.


I think there's a reason the synthetic has lower filtration. It's made for extended drain intervals and they don't want it to clog too early.

Since I don't do extended drain intervals, I will stick with the PureOne as well.
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I agree with the consensus that the filter looks great and appears to have did the job for 20k miles. I am not sure, however, if we can be certain if the filter was fully loaded or not and if it was running in bypass. I may be off the mark, but to me, it's a new filter at every oil change. The money savings is a few dollars and that is not a risk I will take on my vehicles.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
I agree with the consensus that the filter looks great and appears to have did the job for 20k miles. I am not sure, however, if we can be certain if the filter was fully loaded or not and if it was running in bypass.


Only way to know would be to have a delta-p measuring setup like Jim has on his test truck. The PSL is rated for 10K OCIs, so going 20K miles might be pushing it a bit.

http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/SyntheticOilFilters.aspx
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: Izb
....p.s. By the way, Motorcraft filters=Purolator Classic(97.5% at 20mc) or Pure One (99.9% at 20mc)?

Majority Puro Classics are 97.5%@20um. The Motorcraft FL820S has ISO tested ~94%@20um in Amsoil testing. If not for that, as it's oem, it's efficiency would likely have remained a question mark. The FL820S was the only Motorcraft oil filter tested.


Has anybody find another (oficial?) information about FL-820S filtering efficiency (except Amsoil test)?
 
Originally Posted By: Izb
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: Izb
....p.s. By the way, Motorcraft filters=Purolator Classic(97.5% at 20mc) or Pure One (99.9% at 20mc)?

Majority Puro Classics are 97.5%@20um. The Motorcraft FL820S has ISO tested ~94%@20um in Amsoil testing. If not for that, as it's oem, it's efficiency would likely have remained a question mark. The FL820S was the only Motorcraft oil filter tested.


Has anybody find another (oficial?) information about FL-820S filtering efficiency (except Amsoil test)?


No. And before the Amsoil ISO test, the only other spec was from Ford/Motorcraft saying that the Motorcraft filter's efficiency was "80% @ 20 microns". Amsoil actually did Ford a favor by showing it was better than Ford even said. IMO, Ford needs a new advertising manager.
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Originally Posted By: lubedude13
Looks a lot better than my purolator pure one did at 7,500 miles


Indeed! My P1 had wavey pleats but, the rest of the filter looked OK!
 
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: lubedude13
Looks a lot better than my purolator pure one did at 7,500 miles


Indeed! My P1 had wavey pleats but, the rest of the filter looked OK!


PureOnes usually have some wavy pleats. Doesn't really hurt anything.
 
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