Purolator 10241 8000 miles cut open

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Originally Posted By: sdowney717
Most oil changes are over rated, my cars have proven that. You know a filter continues to filter even if the bypass were to open. A bypass valve opening up is not an all or nothing event.

I often wonder if a very cold and too thick engine oil could not flow thru the filter so the bypass opens even with a new filter.

I think oil today is much better quality than decades ago. The engines I work on I never see cylinder ridges like before. I do see worn bearings and cranks due to grit in the oil. So your better off using the best filter like a Pure One and using synthetic really makes no difference versus full synthetic. My other car, I have not changed the oil in 40,000 miles, only changing the bypass and main filters.

Since I know how to repair engines, I do somethings just to see what happens.
Here is my boat engine, which the Palmer Marine company made a very big mistake in the setup. They left out a full flow oil filter, and only used a bypass setup. Surprisingly, it was common decades ago to do this. The result is bearings wear out, which they have on this motor. This one only the main bearing showed wear. And the engine had a prior rebuild where someone expanded the pistons (called knurling) instead of replacing with new ones. I ended up rebuilding with all new bearings and new pistons and rings. And added a full flow setup with a Pure One . I kept the original bleed-stream bypass filter.

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Question for you:

How does an engine that burns a quart every 500 miles show that oil changes are over-rated?
 
Typically, there is at least a quart or two of brake fluid, coolant, mineral spirits and more random harmful to a motor chemicals in that 5 gallon oil disposal container of mine. That is the only thing I would fear in this situation. I hope you're at least filtering the oil with a funnel and shop towels or something. There is so much grit in the bottom of my oil pan I can't imagine any of that going into a motor.
 
You cut open a perfectly good Purolator PureOne....now duct tape it back together and run that filter for another 5k miles.
 
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There is so much grit in the bottom of my oil pan I can't imagine any of that going into a motor.

I know I thought about this but that was in your engine too.
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The used oil I pour in, the grits settle to the container bottom, and I dont pour it all back in, typically leave some old oil behind just because I dont want big grit that settled out put into the engine.
 
Originally Posted By: sdowney717
Well, these cars burn oil due to engine design issues, worn weak rings, no piston oil drain back holes, NONE at ALL drilled by GM, so the rings sludge up, valve seals rot and all this means, those owners who religiously changed oil, ended up with oil burners.

Research or ask those questions on that forum.
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39


I'm well aware of the issues with the S-series (and these issues have been discussed in great detail on this site FWIW), which again begs the question as to why you feel it is a good example of why oil changes are over-rated?

If anything, it is an example as to how NOT to engineer an engine. But I don't think it speaks in any way as to the value of oil changes for the very reasons you mentioned.
 
does any one know what most street engines have for oil pump flow, 3 gpm at 2000 rpm? i know the Chrysler put bigger volume pumps on there race engines ie, 426 max wedge, 426 race hemi
 
Originally Posted By: morris
does any one know what most street engines have for oil pump flow, 3 gpm at 2000 rpm? i know the Chrysler put bigger volume pumps on there race engines ie, 426 max wedge, 426 race hemi


Yeah, I'd say somewhere close to 3 GPM on a high performance car.

If it puts out 10 GPM at 6000 RPM, then it will be putting out about 1/3 that at 2000 RPM ~= 3 GPM.

On grandma's Buick Regal, it's probably more like 1.5~2 GPM at 2000 RPM.
 
Just to pour some more fuel on the fire, years ago I owned a 1976 Plymouth Volare with a slant 6. I bought it used with god only knows how many miles on it. The thing drank oil like I used to drink beer....fast and a lot of it. So I got tired of putting new oil in it and I started to fill it with the 20-50 I drained out of my Harley. That slant 6 ran just fine.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: sdowney717
Well, these cars burn oil due to engine design issues, worn weak rings, no piston oil drain back holes, NONE at ALL drilled by GM, so the rings sludge up, valve seals rot and all this means, those owners who religiously changed oil, ended up with oil burners.

Research or ask those questions on that forum.
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39


I'm well aware of the issues with the S-series (and these issues have been discussed in great detail on this site FWIW), which again begs the question as to why you feel it is a good example of why oil changes are over-rated?

If anything, it is an example as to how NOT to engineer an engine. But I don't think it speaks in any way as to the value of oil changes for the very reasons you mentioned.


Point well made.
 
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