PUREONE PL14610 CUT OPEN -- PICTURES

[HTSS_TR]

According to Purolator website, 14459 is the filter for Honda S2000, 14610 is the filter for other Honda models such as Odyssey.

The OD of 14459 is 3.15" and 14610 is 2.69"
The height of 14459 is 2.95" and 14610 is 3.52"

Is there a PureOne filter with OD of about 3.15", Height of 3.5-4.0" and the gasket size OD: 2.5", ID: 2.2". Another word, is there a longer version of 14459 ?

 

[kender]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Talk about getting defensive, I don't believe the response was addressed to your post, so not sure what your issue is.

IMO, calling the bypass spring a scam is more than asking a question that was already answered by the OP.

If my post offended your sensibilities perhaps you should consider the ignore feature.

No, my post was not quoted. However, I also said it appeared as though the bypass valve(yes, I know the difference between the leaf spring and the bypass valve) appeared to be stuck open. And just because you've never seen that before, doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
According to Purolator website, 14459 is the filter for Honda S2000, 14610 is the filter for other Honda models such as Odyssey.

The OD of 14459 is 3.15" and 14610 is 2.69"
The height of 14459 is 2.95" and 14610 is 3.52"

Is there a PureOne filter with OD of about 3.15", Height of 3.5-4.0" and the gasket size OD: 2.5", ID: 2.2". Another word, is there a longer version of 14459 ?
None that I'm aware of. The 14610 and 14459 have the same size gasket though, so if there is room width wise the 14459 will work where the 14610 will. Don't know if that answers your question though.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
No, my post was not quoted. However, I also said it appeared as though the bypass valve(yes, I know the difference between the leaf spring and the bypass valve) appeared to be stuck open. And just because you've never seen that before, doesn't mean it couldn't happen.
Again the post wasn't addressed to you as you didn't call the bypass a "scam.' And, the point wasn't that it could never happen, it was that I hadn't seen it in my experience. And again, the OP already answered the question.

For someone wondering about why you post, you've quoted my posts twice now, and can't seem to let it go.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: barlowc
Originally Posted By: sunfire
I'm not a fan of Purolator's leaf spring relief valves. I don't think they even open. The one in your pic looks like leaf spring has deformed.

It must be an optical illusion in the picture. The relief spring is in no way deformed. It's shape and cut is perfect.


The "leaf spring" in the photo is NOT the spring for the bypass valve. The bypass valve can be seen on one of the end caps, and has the flat "45 record adapter" spring design.

I'm sure the bypass valve opens on them at the range that Purolator has specified.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Looks excellent to me. No problem with 6k.

Any chance you could determine the total media area? Curious how it matches up with the area of the PL14459.


I cut open a Motorcraft speced for the Altima that was very similar in size to the Purolator 14610, and it had 95 square inches. It's possible the 14610 has about 10 sq-in more of media than the 14459 (which has 85 sq-in). The NAPA Gold 1356 (which is similar size to the 14610) only had 69 sq-in.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: kender
It does appear as though the bypass valve is stuck open. I just bought 3 P1's today.


How can you make that conclusion by looking at the photos?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
According to Purolator website, 14459 is the filter for Honda S2000, 14610 is the filter for other Honda models such as Odyssey.

The OD of 14459 is 3.15" and 14610 is 2.69"
The height of 14459 is 2.95" and 14610 is 3.52"

Is there a PureOne filter with OD of about 3.15", Height of 3.5-4.0" and the gasket size OD: 2.5", ID: 2.2". Another word, is there a longer version of 14459 ?


I think you will be surprised when you find out the media area in the 14610 is probably a little more than in the 14459. The two differences between the 14610 and 14459 that should be also be noted are:

1) 14459 uses a coil spring in the bypass valve, 14610 uses a flat spring.
2) 14459 is rated at 99.9% @ 20 microns, 14610 is rated at 99.9% @ 40 microns (check the text on the box).

 

[kender]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: kender
It does appear as though the bypass valve is stuck open. I just bought 3 P1's today.


How can you make that conclusion by looking at the photos?

What conclusion? I'm not saying it IS stuck open. I said it APPEARS to be stuck open. Like the OP said in a previous post, it's an illusion. But there APPEARS to be a gap/space between the spring and the valve.

 

[daves87rs]

Looks good!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: kender
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: kender
It does appear as though the bypass valve is stuck open. I just bought 3 P1's today.


How can you make that conclusion by looking at the photos?

What conclusion? I'm not saying it IS stuck open. I said it APPEARS to be stuck open. Like the OP said in a previous post, it's an illusion. But there APPEARS to be a gap/space between the spring and the valve.


Well, you must have concluded that it appeared so. "Appears" is as bad as an "assume" ... why get all exited - did you return those P1s you just bought because it appeared the bypass valve was open on this one?

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Looks excellent to me. No problem with 6k.

Any chance you could determine the total media area? Curious how it matches up with the area of the PL14459.


I cut open a Motorcraft speced for the Altima that was very similar in size to the Purolator 14610, and it had 95 square inches. It's possible the 14610 has about 10 sq-in more of media than the 14459 (which has 85 sq-in)....
And...as I said, seeing the wider centertube/shallow(er) pleats on the dissected 14459, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find 14610 with more media. Which is why I'm curious what the OP finds, or I'll have to wait until the one I'm running now gets changed which won't be for some time.

If that's true, it makes the difference in the ratings between the 14610 and 14459 a bit strange, at least to me. And, usually the 14610 is more expensive than the 14459.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac

If that's true, it makes the difference in the ratings between the 14610 and 14459 a bit strange, at least to me. And, usually the 14610 is more expensive than the 14459.


True ... one would thing the filter with more media area would have a better beta ratio. Maybe I'll email Purolator and ask them why the handful of spin-on filters they make are 99.9% @ 40 in stead of 20 microns.

 

[kender]

Geez! Didn't mean to upset the purolator fanboys. What's wrong with making an observation about a picture? Either the spring is fairly thick, or their is a gap/space between the spring and the valve creating a shadow. Either way, it "appears" ( which is not the same as assume) as though it is open. It's just an observation. Nothing more.
No, I did not return the filters. I use purolator filters more often than not. After I use them I might cut them open. I cut open a new one before, but never a used one.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: kender
Geez! Didn't mean to upset the purolator fanboys. What's wrong with making an observation about a picture?


Nothing wrong with it ... I just wanted to know how you came to that "conclusion", "assumption", "apparition" or whatever you want to call it. It's obviously hard to sometimes see what's really going on with a photo.

I've cut open and carefully inspected this exact same style of bypass valve, and it might look like there is a "gap" there, but there's a lip formed around the hole in the end cap so the flat round piece riveted to the flat spring can seal up against.

Originally Posted By: kender
I use purolator filters more often than not.


Another Purolator fanboy!

 

[kender]

I call it an observation. I did not "conclude", or "assume" that the bypass valve is open. I did not say the bypass valve is open. I said it "appears" to be open.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: kender
I call it an observation. I did not "conclude", or "assume" that the bypass valve is open. I did not say the bypass valve is open. I said it "appears" to be open.


I observed it, and it sure looks like it's open, and really appears to be open ... but I wouldn't assume it's open, so I guess it's not open. Ummmm, Ok ...

 

[kender]

You can play all you want. I can't tell from the pic if it is open or not. I said it "appears" to be open. I also gave some possible reasons why it could "appear" to be open, while not really being open. uuuuummmmm OK!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: kender
You can play all you want. I can't tell from the pic if it is open or not. I said it "appears" to be open. I also gave some possible reasons why it could "appear" to be open, while not really being open. uuuuummmmm OK!


Well, having seen and played with these types of bypass valves after cutting open filters, I'm going to conclude and say it's not open, even though an untrained eye might concluded through photo observation that it might appear to be open.

 

[kender]

Sorry, I don't have your "know-It-All" wisdom. And my untrained eyes can't conclude for sure everything you can from one off angle pic.