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Pure Power filters. Anybody tried one?
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You mean a GravelTrap®?
Looks like spam to me. Come on, posting a website with only 3 BITOG postings?
Looks like spam to me. Come on, posting a website with only 3 BITOG postings?
Who could bother with this?
It is a solution looking for a problem.
Especially you guys in the States. Oil filters are CHEAP.
Even to just fumble off a disposable oil filter and drop it into a coffee can to bring to a garage so they can recycle it is enough bother for me.
Cleaning an oil filter? I'll pass even when a Wix, after taxes and enviro levies runs me 10 bucks.
But, to not mess with this stuff every 6 months is a Tenner well spent IMO.
Also, I just plain wouldn't trust one of these things.
Filtration? I guess you could be hopeful it is doing that.
Oh, and 500$ for one of these things??? I'll buy a two 12 pack of Wix filters that will last me the entire life of the car.
It is a solution looking for a problem.
Especially you guys in the States. Oil filters are CHEAP.
Even to just fumble off a disposable oil filter and drop it into a coffee can to bring to a garage so they can recycle it is enough bother for me.
Cleaning an oil filter? I'll pass even when a Wix, after taxes and enviro levies runs me 10 bucks.
But, to not mess with this stuff every 6 months is a Tenner well spent IMO.
Also, I just plain wouldn't trust one of these things.
Filtration? I guess you could be hopeful it is doing that.
Oh, and 500$ for one of these things??? I'll buy a two 12 pack of Wix filters that will last me the entire life of the car.
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Huh, they finally updated their website... a yaer or so ago, i saw a similar filter for sale by k&n and posted about it here, someone else pointed out the Pure Power brand, and sure enough, if you looked @ the K&N packaging pictures, theirs was made by Pure Power.
Link to said Thread:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...154#Post2541154
At that time(Feb '12) the Pure power website looked abandoned, hadn't been updated in a couple years...
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Originally Posted By: Saleen0679
Looks like K&N just slapped their name on a Pure Power! filter. It has the Pure Power! logo just underneath.
http://gopurepower.com
on the back of package photo, it does say "Made in the USA by Pure Power!"
I'm thinking the 2 companies struck a marketing deal letting Pure Power have access to K&N's distribution network
my 2cents anyhow..
(the pure power website doesn't look to have been updated in a several years, other than the copyright@ the bottom of page. most recent "news" item was from 2007...)
Link to said Thread:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...154#Post2541154
At that time(Feb '12) the Pure power website looked abandoned, hadn't been updated in a couple years...
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Originally Posted By: Saleen0679
Looks like K&N just slapped their name on a Pure Power! filter. It has the Pure Power! logo just underneath.
http://gopurepower.com
on the back of package photo, it does say "Made in the USA by Pure Power!"
I'm thinking the 2 companies struck a marketing deal letting Pure Power have access to K&N's distribution network
my 2cents anyhow..
(the pure power website doesn't look to have been updated in a several years, other than the copyright@ the bottom of page. most recent "news" item was from 2007...)
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Huh, they finally updated their website... a yaer or so ago, i saw a similar filter for sale by k&n and posted about it here, someone else pointed out the Pure Power brand, and sure enough, if you looked @ the K&N packaging pictures, theirs was made by Pure Power.
Link to said Thread:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...154#Post2541154
At that time(Feb '12) the Pure power website looked abandoned, hadn't been updated in a couple years...
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Originally Posted By: Saleen0679
Looks like K&N just slapped their name on a Pure Power! filter. It has the Pure Power! logo just underneath.
http://gopurepower.com
on the back of package photo, it does say "Made in the USA by Pure Power!"
I'm thinking the 2 companies struck a marketing deal letting Pure Power have access to K&N's distribution network
my 2cents anyhow..
(the pure power website doesn't look to have been updated in a several years, other than the copyright@ the bottom of page. most recent "news" item was from 2007...)
Ya, I saw a ad in a Diesel mag and I had never heard of them. I did do a little research and found they also supply K&N. I have a Duramax with an Allison and the spin on filter for the trans are way over priced.
I post a lot in other places (VFRD and Duramax Forum), but I'm more of a reader here thou.
Huh, they finally updated their website... a yaer or so ago, i saw a similar filter for sale by k&n and posted about it here, someone else pointed out the Pure Power brand, and sure enough, if you looked @ the K&N packaging pictures, theirs was made by Pure Power.
Link to said Thread:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...154#Post2541154
At that time(Feb '12) the Pure power website looked abandoned, hadn't been updated in a couple years...
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Originally Posted By: Saleen0679
Looks like K&N just slapped their name on a Pure Power! filter. It has the Pure Power! logo just underneath.
http://gopurepower.com
on the back of package photo, it does say "Made in the USA by Pure Power!"
I'm thinking the 2 companies struck a marketing deal letting Pure Power have access to K&N's distribution network
my 2cents anyhow..
(the pure power website doesn't look to have been updated in a several years, other than the copyright@ the bottom of page. most recent "news" item was from 2007...)
Ya, I saw a ad in a Diesel mag and I had never heard of them. I did do a little research and found they also supply K&N. I have a Duramax with an Allison and the spin on filter for the trans are way over priced.
I post a lot in other places (VFRD and Duramax Forum), but I'm more of a reader here thou.
So I did a little more research and found the filter down to 22 microns 100%. While that number isn't that big of a deal, I did find that they they flow 20 gallons per minute. Most paper filters flow 6-7 gallons per minute. At that 20 GPM, it would seem very rare that the bypass would ever open. Thoughts?
Originally Posted By: coderighter
So I did a little more research and found the filter down to 22 microns 100%.
100% efficiency at 22 microns with a metal screen filter? Got a link? Not too shabby if true.
Originally Posted By: coderighter
While that number isn't that big of a deal, I did find that they they flow 20 gallons per minute. Most paper filters flow 6-7 gallons per minute. At that 20 GPM, it would seem very rare that the bypass would ever open. Thoughts?
When these manufacturers claim a filter can flow "X GPM a minute", it's a pretty vague statement because they don't specify viscosity of the oil (or oil weight and temperature) to make any sense of it this flow spec. There should also be a delta-P given across the media too, or it doesn't make much sense.
Check out this thread. You could say this PureOne flows "12 GPM", or even 18 GPM if the spec was with this oil viscosity and up to when the bypass opens.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451
So I did a little more research and found the filter down to 22 microns 100%.
100% efficiency at 22 microns with a metal screen filter? Got a link? Not too shabby if true.
Originally Posted By: coderighter
While that number isn't that big of a deal, I did find that they they flow 20 gallons per minute. Most paper filters flow 6-7 gallons per minute. At that 20 GPM, it would seem very rare that the bypass would ever open. Thoughts?
When these manufacturers claim a filter can flow "X GPM a minute", it's a pretty vague statement because they don't specify viscosity of the oil (or oil weight and temperature) to make any sense of it this flow spec. There should also be a delta-P given across the media too, or it doesn't make much sense.
Check out this thread. You could say this PureOne flows "12 GPM", or even 18 GPM if the spec was with this oil viscosity and up to when the bypass opens.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451
The info I saw was in print form, not online but I'll poke around and see if I can't find an online version. The story I read was in the August Diesel World magazine and was in reference to the filter for a Duramax diesel.
So as far as GPM, is there a standard oil weight and temp for such measurement?
Thanks
So as far as GPM, is there a standard oil weight and temp for such measurement?
Thanks
I have been watching this site for awhile now. I am impressed yet disappointed with responices to this subject. Some posts were well thought out, others uneducated guesses.
I have personally talked to Kelly Tidwell (co owner of pure power). I spent about an hour on the phone with him before i ordered 2 (engine, trans). I have used both filters for over 80k miles, with no issues. In fact my engine/transmission combo prefer this setup. Engine had a real bad tick (famous typewriter issue) with p1. Swaped the pure power back 2 engine and was soooo much quiter(no oil change just a swap). The trans shifts like a shift kit has been install and runs about 10-15deg cooler. Its all about flow, and yes I took a page from d newton and I was running t-5 10w30, op was the same as if i had the 5-40 or 15-40.
About the p1, an excllent filter, it filters to well imop. I had that filter on my truck as well as a camery we have. Both started ticking etc, around the 3k mark on the oc. Changed both vehicles(the car to fram ultra) all is quite again. A great filter but I do belive 3k per website is a pretty good estimation on life of the element.
Personal experience has shown me being afraid to thank outside the norm is a great way for the world to pass you by. Not all products are bad (i do agree there are a ton that are) some just need a chanse to prove themselves on the consumer market vs industral commersal etc.
I have personally talked to Kelly Tidwell (co owner of pure power). I spent about an hour on the phone with him before i ordered 2 (engine, trans). I have used both filters for over 80k miles, with no issues. In fact my engine/transmission combo prefer this setup. Engine had a real bad tick (famous typewriter issue) with p1. Swaped the pure power back 2 engine and was soooo much quiter(no oil change just a swap). The trans shifts like a shift kit has been install and runs about 10-15deg cooler. Its all about flow, and yes I took a page from d newton and I was running t-5 10w30, op was the same as if i had the 5-40 or 15-40.
About the p1, an excllent filter, it filters to well imop. I had that filter on my truck as well as a camery we have. Both started ticking etc, around the 3k mark on the oc. Changed both vehicles(the car to fram ultra) all is quite again. A great filter but I do belive 3k per website is a pretty good estimation on life of the element.
Personal experience has shown me being afraid to thank outside the norm is a great way for the world to pass you by. Not all products are bad (i do agree there are a ton that are) some just need a chanse to prove themselves on the consumer market vs industral commersal etc.
So I went ahead and got one, I just received it Monday. Boy, sure is pretty!
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
I did check the Pure Power and because of the much increased flow, the bypass doesn't open with 5-w40 and I'm pretty sure it won't with 15-w40 either. These results might differ in a North Dakota January.
I'll be ordering the trans filter tomorrow.
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
I did check the Pure Power and because of the much increased flow, the bypass doesn't open with 5-w40 and I'm pretty sure it won't with 15-w40 either. These results might differ in a North Dakota January.
I'll be ordering the trans filter tomorrow.
Good filter, but you will need to keep it awhile for the investment to pay off.
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Originally Posted By: coderighter
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
Base end bypass FTW?
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
Base end bypass FTW?
Originally Posted By: coderighter
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
What kind of testing methods did you use to verify the bypass valve was opening?
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
What kind of testing methods did you use to verify the bypass valve was opening?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: coderighter
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
What kind of testing methods did you use to verify the bypass valve was opening?
Differential pressure. As you increase pump speed, both differential and output pressure increase. At the point differential stops going up (or slows a whole bunch) while output pressure is still increasing, is the point the bypass is active.
Originally Posted By: coderighter
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
What kind of testing methods did you use to verify the bypass valve was opening?
Differential pressure. As you increase pump speed, both differential and output pressure increase. At the point differential stops going up (or slows a whole bunch) while output pressure is still increasing, is the point the bypass is active.
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Good filter, but you will need to keep it awhile for the investment to pay off.
I didn't buy it to save money. If it saves money, that's fine, if not, that's fine too. Heck, most of the junk I buy for the truck is a complete loss....like wheels, stereo, tint, running boards.........
Good filter, but you will need to keep it awhile for the investment to pay off.
I didn't buy it to save money. If it saves money, that's fine, if not, that's fine too. Heck, most of the junk I buy for the truck is a complete loss....like wheels, stereo, tint, running boards.........
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Those filters have built in magnets don't they? If so they should capture anything that is important anyways with the added benefit of not going into bypass.
Check out this thread Doug uses a SS filter too.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/3077132/
Check out this thread Doug uses a SS filter too.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/3077132/
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Those filters have built in magnets don't they? If so they should capture anything that is important anyways with the added benefit of not going into bypass.
Check out this thread Doug uses a SS filter too.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/3077132/
Yes, they do have magnets, 2 of them. They are pretty small, about a 1/10 inch diameter x an inch long, but they are very strong. Not sure why they don't have 4 or better yet, 8. I mean it was $240 after all.
Those filters have built in magnets don't they? If so they should capture anything that is important anyways with the added benefit of not going into bypass.
Check out this thread Doug uses a SS filter too.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/3077132/
Yes, they do have magnets, 2 of them. They are pretty small, about a 1/10 inch diameter x an inch long, but they are very strong. Not sure why they don't have 4 or better yet, 8. I mean it was $240 after all.
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Originally Posted By: coderighter
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: coderighter
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
What kind of testing methods did you use to verify the bypass valve was opening?
Differential pressure. As you increase pump speed, both differential and output pressure increase. At the point differential stops going up (or slows a whole bunch) while output pressure is still increasing, is the point the bypass is active.
What filter(s) were you using during the delta-P testing? Jim Allen also has a delta-P gauge setup on his truck and he was saying that he doesn't see bypass events that often on the filter's he's been testing. Also, are you revving the engine up pretty good above idle after a cold start, which would cause bypass to happen much easier.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: coderighter
Anyway, I had done some testing and found that every cold start opened the bypass on a standard paper filter. During bypass, the oil passes by the face of the filter washing the trapped dirt off the face, down thru the bottom and up the center, back into the motor.
What kind of testing methods did you use to verify the bypass valve was opening?
Differential pressure. As you increase pump speed, both differential and output pressure increase. At the point differential stops going up (or slows a whole bunch) while output pressure is still increasing, is the point the bypass is active.
What filter(s) were you using during the delta-P testing? Jim Allen also has a delta-P gauge setup on his truck and he was saying that he doesn't see bypass events that often on the filter's he's been testing. Also, are you revving the engine up pretty good above idle after a cold start, which would cause bypass to happen much easier.
as you all know i been using k&p engineering's stainless steel filters for several years now all my vehicles love the performance and cleanliness of the oils..the military uses these also they just throw them out after use....all these filters have been approved by the faa and euopean aeronautics.in fact i know people get rid of their purepower filter for the k&p filter saying, you can work with k&p better. purepower hard to get off..
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