problems with concealed weapons

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Originally Posted By: daves66nova
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
If intruder breaks in and has a gun what chances do you have to go and get it in time?
Depends where you keep it at.Very good chance if you keep it nearby,such as a nightstand,2 feet away from you.


Thats great but whats more likely to happen is your young child will get the gun and shoot someone by accident. that would be more likely to occur than an intruder breaking in. thats where the problem lies.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I can get my gun as quickly as you can get your bat. What is your bat going to do against a gun?

Irony: Guns and bats, both American sports.
+1 BTW, I don't comment on the gun laws in Canada, so why don't YOU keep YOUR thoughts on OUR country to yourself, because I ain't interested.


Maybe because most of the illegal handguns that end up in the hands of thugs in Canada come from south of the border?

Nothing is stopping you from commenting on Canadian gun laws, but Canadian gun laws and Canadian gun violence aren't a regular topic for the media, so there really isn't much to discuss anyway. And that's despite the fact that Canada has plenty of guns. We just don't usually use them on each other.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I can get my gun as quickly as you can get your bat. What is your bat going to do against a gun?

Irony: Guns and bats, both American sports.


I clearly stated that its no match against a gun. Getting a bigger and better weapon wont solve any problems. If you live in a decent neighborhood and dont do anything illegal its unlikely you need a gun to protect yourself. The more guns on the street the more idiots who have them. Thats the problem. I know a number of people who have guns, but frankly they are the most careful and safe people i know and most likely many of you are the same.

[censored] i feel like i've been watching too much of the piers morgan show lol..
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I can get my gun as quickly as you can get your bat. What is your bat going to do against a gun?

Irony: Guns and bats, both American sports.
+1 BTW, I don't comment on the gun laws in Canada, so why don't YOU keep YOUR thoughts on OUR country to yourself, because I ain't interested.


Maybe because most of the illegal handguns that end up in the hands of thugs in Canada come from south of the border?

Nothing is stopping you from commenting on Canadian gun laws, but Canadian gun laws and Canadian gun violence aren't a regular topic for the media, so there really isn't much to discuss anyway. And that's despite the fact that Canada has plenty of guns. We just don't usually use them on each other.


Well said
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

Nothing is stopping you from commenting on Canadian gun laws, but Canadian gun laws and Canadian gun violence aren't a regular topic for the media, so there really isn't much to discuss anyway. And that's despite the fact that Canada has plenty of guns. We just don't usually use them on each other.


You're lucky that way. The "bad people" tend to have a problem with cold weather.
 
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
If intruder breaks in and has a gun what chances do you have to go and get it in time?


All the below people did and that was only what I found in 2 minutes.

To me the question is does a person have a right to chose not to be a victim.
At least to try and protect themselves.




Georgia Mom Hiding With Kids, Shoots Intruder - ABC News

abcnews.go.com › U.S.

Jan 08, 2013 · A mother of two has been hailed a hero by her husband after she shot an intruder in their Loganville, Ga., home last Friday afternoon. "She protected the ...






Mother Shoots, Kills Intruder in Oklahoma | Fox News Video

video.foxnews.com/v/1362453282001/mother-shoots-kills-intruder-in...

Jan 03, 2012 · 911 dispatcher gives shooting advice ... This transcript is automatically generated. New mom and recently widowed -- McKinley sat waiting inside her home ...



Forestville man shoots, wounds intruder
Washington Post·1 day ago A Forestville man shot and wounded a stranger who he said burst into his apartment and attacked him Thursday night, police said. The incident seems, at least preliminarily, to be a case of self-defense, authorities…

Texas man, 21, fatally shoots intruder during home invasion
FOX News·7 days ago

Woman shoots, cuffs armed intruder
USA Today·8 days ago
 
Some thoughts on the two vids...

1) We weren't there, and all reporters are not pulitzer prize winners. The only saving grace for the civilian shooter would be that the escaping driver was actually trying to run somebody over. Again, we were not at the scene.

2) I'm not a lawyer, so couldn't tell you whether the shooter had the right to shoot at someone stealing his truck. However, here are some relevant excerpts from FL law. Read and decide for yourself...

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/inde.../0776/0776.html
 
A gun is a tool to be used by responsible legal members of a lawful society. The 2nd amendment guaranties our rights get to keep and bare arms. End of debate! A RIGHT!!!
The problem is with the mentally ill and the criminals using guns. Deal with the bad guys, not the legal gun owners. A gun crime should include mandatory hard prison. Lock them up until they are too old to play in gangs with drugs and guns... Or, if the crime warrants it, put the bad guy down.
But, we all know, or should know by now, this is about control and disarmament of the American people.
My friend this is as political as it gets, an agenda that is being forced on we the people. History shows time and time again this never works out well for the people/victims of their government. They work for us remember?..
 
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Originally Posted By: ddtmoto
A gun is a tool to be used by responsible legal members of a lawful society. The 2nd amendment guaranties our rights get to keep and bare arms. End of debate! A RIGHT!!!
The problem is with the mentally ill...


Why do you believe that somebody with Alzheimers or a veteran with PTSD should not have the full protection of the Constitution?? Since gun ownership is a right, why are you so determined to take it away from people??
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I can get my gun as quickly as you can get your bat. What is your bat going to do against a gun?

Irony: Guns and bats, both American sports.
+1 BTW, I don't comment on the gun laws in Canada, so why don't YOU keep YOUR thoughts on OUR country to yourself, because I ain't interested.


Maybe because most of the illegal handguns that end up in the hands of thugs in Canada come from south of the border?

Nothing is stopping you from commenting on Canadian gun laws, but Canadian gun laws and Canadian gun violence aren't a regular topic for the media, so there really isn't much to discuss anyway. And that's despite the fact that Canada has plenty of guns. We just don't usually use them on each other.
That's not what I read, what happened in Toronto a while back?
 
Originally Posted By: ddtmoto
A gun is a tool to be used by responsible legal members of a lawful society. The 2nd amendment guaranties our rights get to keep and bare arms. End of debate! A RIGHT!!!
The problem is with the mentally ill and the criminals using guns. Deal with the bad guys, not the legal gun owners. A gun crime should include mandatory hard prison. Lock them up until they are too old to play in gangs with drugs and guns... Or, if the crime warrants it, put the bad guy down.
But, we all know, or should know by now, this is about control and disarmament of the American people.
My friend this is as political as it gets, an agenda that is being forced on we the people. History shows time and time again this never works out well for the people/victims of their government. They work for us remember?..
Apparently "some say" we have POLICE so we "don't need" guns, by that logic, we don't need FIRE EXTINGUISHERS either.
 
Originally Posted By: clarkflower
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
If intruder breaks in and has a gun what chances do you have to go and get it in time?


All the below people did and that was only what I found in 2 minutes.

To me the question is does a person have a right to chose not to be a victim.
At least to try and protect themselves.




Georgia Mom Hiding With Kids, Shoots Intruder - ABC News

abcnews.go.com › U.S.

Jan 08, 2013 · A mother of two has been hailed a hero by her husband after she shot an intruder in their Loganville, Ga., home last Friday afternoon. "She protected the ...






Mother Shoots, Kills Intruder in Oklahoma | Fox News Video

video.foxnews.com/v/1362453282001/mother-shoots-kills-intruder-in...

Jan 03, 2012 · 911 dispatcher gives shooting advice ... This transcript is automatically generated. New mom and recently widowed -- McKinley sat waiting inside her home ...



Forestville man shoots, wounds intruder
Washington Post·1 day ago A Forestville man shot and wounded a stranger who he said burst into his apartment and attacked him Thursday night, police said. The incident seems, at least preliminarily, to be a case of self-defense, authorities…

Texas man, 21, fatally shoots intruder during home invasion
FOX News·7 days ago

Woman shoots, cuffs armed intruder
USA Today·8 days ago
You are not supposed to bring these things up, the lefty thinks it's better to be a victim than to hurt a perp. THe ones who espouse this the most strongly for "the rest of us" are the beautiful and the connected who will ALWAYS have armed protection. It's the "Do as I SAY" system.
 
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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I can get my gun as quickly as you can get your bat. What is your bat going to do against a gun?

Irony: Guns and bats, both American sports.
+1 BTW, I don't comment on the gun laws in Canada, so why don't YOU keep YOUR thoughts on OUR country to yourself, because I ain't interested.


Maybe because most of the illegal handguns that end up in the hands of thugs in Canada come from south of the border?

Nothing is stopping you from commenting on Canadian gun laws, but Canadian gun laws and Canadian gun violence aren't a regular topic for the media, so there really isn't much to discuss anyway. And that's despite the fact that Canada has plenty of guns. We just don't usually use them on each other.
That's not what I read, what happened in Toronto a while back?


Could you be more vague?

The example I can think of that was somewhat recent was the little kid in the projects killed from the stray bullet from a gang-banger's hand-gun that likely came north of the border the same way the rest of them do.

I'm a BIG fan of guns and gun ownership. But I'm not a big fan of "thugs" and "gangsta's" running around with hand-guns and Uzi's. It is a LOT harder for them to walk down the street trying to hide a pump-12 than it is a Glock.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Apparently "some say" we have POLICE so we "don't need" guns, by that logic, we don't need FIRE EXTINGUISHERS either.


If by having a fire extinguisher in your house, you or a family member was _% more likely to die in a fire, would you still keep one in the house?
 
As an American who owns a firearm....and has a concealed permit, I certainly do think that too many idiots, fools and morons DO have the same right as I. It's just the way it is and can't be dealt with 100% without infringement of the 2nd Amendment. No right or law is perfect....people will always abuse, break, or otherwise attempt to ruin it for others. I've seen many gun owners brag about how they will shoot somebody or how well trained they are at the gun range and can't wait to try those skills on a burglar. Typically these types are often festooned with 'in your face' pro-gun t-shirts meant to offend less passionate folks. A fair amount of them truly cause me to pause. But, be that as it may, us Americans as a whole are fortunate that we have the right to protect and defend ourselves against a deadly threat.....with a firearm.
 
Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: ddtmoto
A gun is a tool to be used by responsible legal members of a lawful society. The 2nd amendment guaranties our rights get to keep and bare arms. End of debate! A RIGHT!!!
The problem is with the mentally ill...


Why do you believe that somebody with Alzheimers or a veteran with PTSD should not have the full protection of the Constitution?? Since gun ownership is a right, why are you so determined to take it away from people??



That is a good point. People love to take the 2nd at its word. So, by their own definitions, no one's rights can be infringed. The mentally ill, the convicted murderer out of prison, it is their right to keep and bear arms and it shall not be infringed.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Let's brush by the first part that barely gets notice. The part that gets quoted does not specify what people. It just says people. It does not say anything about mental illness, criminal record, blindness, etc

Lucky for us, the States are allowed to determine who can own guns. So, despite what it says, the rights of the people to keep and bear arms can be, and has been, infringed
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: clarkflower
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
If intruder breaks in and has a gun what chances do you have to go and get it in time?


All the below people did and that was only what I found in 2 minutes.

To me the question is does a person have a right to chose not to be a victim.
At least to try and protect themselves.




Georgia Mom Hiding With Kids, Shoots Intruder - ABC News

abcnews.go.com › U.S.

Jan 08, 2013 · A mother of two has been hailed a hero by her husband after she shot an intruder in their Loganville, Ga., home last Friday afternoon. "She protected the ...






Mother Shoots, Kills Intruder in Oklahoma | Fox News Video

video.foxnews.com/v/1362453282001/mother-shoots-kills-intruder-in...

Jan 03, 2012 · 911 dispatcher gives shooting advice ... This transcript is automatically generated. New mom and recently widowed -- McKinley sat waiting inside her home ...



Forestville man shoots, wounds intruder
Washington Post·1 day ago A Forestville man shot and wounded a stranger who he said burst into his apartment and attacked him Thursday night, police said. The incident seems, at least preliminarily, to be a case of self-defense, authorities…

Texas man, 21, fatally shoots intruder during home invasion
FOX News·7 days ago

Woman shoots, cuffs armed intruder
USA Today·8 days ago
You are not supposed to bring these things up, the lefty thinks it's better to be a victim than to hurt a perp. THe ones who espouse this the most strongly for "the rest of us" are the beautiful and the connected who will ALWAYS have armed protection. It's the "Do as I SAY" system.


LOL.. I may be a lefty. It's not all people.

People from different places may have a different point of view.
A person in a gated area of Newport Beach, who never leaves Newport Beach may think different from a person who has to walk to the store in a bad area of Compton.

Here's what I think. Why should a guy in gated Greenwich, Connecticut tell me what I need to be safe where I live until he walks in my shoes.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
As an American who owns a firearm....and has a concealed permit, I certainly do think that too many idiots, fools and morons DO have the same right as I. It's just the way it is and can't be dealt with 100% without infringement of the 2nd Amendment. No right or law is perfect....people will always abuse, break, or otherwise attempt to ruin it for others. I've seen many gun owners brag about how they will shoot somebody or how well trained they are at the gun range and can't wait to try those skills on a burglar. Typically these types are often festooned with 'in your face' pro-gun t-shirts meant to offend less passionate folks. A fair amount of them truly cause me to pause. But, be that as it may, us Americans as a whole are fortunate that we have the right to protect and defend ourselves against a deadly threat.....with a firearm.


Yep...and those same idiots, fools and morons also have the right to vote (which explains much of our politics) as well as enjoy all of the other rights enumerated in the Constitution...

Clearly, we restrict some of those rights in the cases of Felons, so Trajan is correct to say that we infringe on gun rights, we as a society have infringed on the rights of many who have broken the law.

I have a problem infringing on the rights of the law-abiding...those convicted of felonies, and those who are not mentally competent to exercise their rights, are one thing...but to sacrifice the rights of the law-abiding so that others can "feel" better is just plain wrong.

Let's substitute rights and see if that infringement still looks reasonable, e.g. in the interest of more effective public policy, we will only allow those who have finished College to vote...
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


Yap, people forget the well regulated militia part a lot. The examples I posted were apparently not well regulated.

I'm thinking to be true with the constitution intend, people with permits should be organized in some kind of reserve force.
 
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