Problem with monitor not staying off Linux Cinnamon 22

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TIA Over the years I got better advice here than on the Mint forums. I recently installed Mint 22 on an older HP tower. It works well but there seems to be two annoying bugs. I'll deal with only one for now. When setting up sleep I have the screen saver set for 5 minutes, and the monitor to turn off after 10 minutes and the computer to sleep after 2 hours. I can change the settings eliminate the screen saver etc to no avail. At the current settings the screen saver comes on after 5 minutes, at ten minutes the monitor powers off stays off for a few seconds and comes on and stays on for two hours until the system goes to sleep. As mentioned earlier changing settings results with the same thing occurring only at the new times programmed in. Manually putting the computer to sleep works fine. Keyboard batteries were changed, that didn't help. There are no NVDIA drivers for it. Any help would be appreciated.

frank@frank-HP-EliteDesk-800-G1-TWR:~$ inxi -Fxxrzc0
System:
Kernel: 6.8.0-39-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.2.0
Desktop: Cinnamon v: 6.2.7 tk: GTK v: 3.24.41 wm: Muffin dm: LightDM
Distro: Linux Mint 22 Wilma base: Ubuntu 24.04 noble
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP EliteDesk 800 G1 TWR
v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 6
serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 18E4 serial: <superuser required>
part-nu: L5R06UC#ABA UEFI: Hewlett-Packard v: L01 v02.74 date: 01/25/2018
Battery:
Device-1: apple_mfi_fastcharge model: N/A serial: N/A charge: N/A
status: N/A
Device-2: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse serial: <filter>
charge: 5% (should be ignored) status: discharging
Device-3: hidpp_battery_1 model: Logitech K520 serial: <filter>
charge: 70% (should be ignored) status: discharging
CPU:
Info: quad core model: Intel Core i7-4790 bits: 64 type: MT MCP
arch: Haswell rev: 3 cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 1024 KiB L3: 8 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 829 high: 1044 min/max: 800/4000 cores: 1: 800 2: 798
3: 1044 4: 800 5: 798 6: 800 7: 798 8: 799 bogomips: 57472
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 ports:
active: none empty: DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2, VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0
chip-ID: 8086:0412
Device-2: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau
v: kernel arch: Tesla pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 4 ports: active: HDMI-A-3
empty: DVI-I-1,VGA-2 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0a65 temp: 63.0 C
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X:
loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau
display-ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96
Monitor-1: HDMI-A-3 mapped: HDMI-3 model: Dell SE2717H/HX res: 1920x1080
dpi: 82 diag: 686mm (27")
API: EGL v: 1.5 platforms: device: 0 drv: crocus device: 1 egl: 1.4
drv: nouveau device: 2 drv: swrast gbm: egl: 1.4 drv: nouveau surfaceless:
drv: crocus x11: egl: 1.4 drv: nouveau inactive: wayland
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 3.3 vendor: mesa v: 24.0.9-0ubuntu0.1
glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: NVA8 device-ID: 10de:0a65
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0
chip-ID: 8086:0c0c
Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio
vendor: Hewlett-Packard 8 driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
chip-ID: 8086:8c20
Device-3: NVIDIA High Definition Audio vendor: eVga.com.
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 4
bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0be3
API: ALSA v: k6.8.0-39-generic status: kernel-api
Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
Network:
Device-1: Intel Ethernet I217-LM vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: e1000e
v: kernel port: f080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:153a
IF: eno1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
IF-ID-1: enxd668aa0295a4 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 2.61 TiB used: 408.29 GiB (15.2%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 850 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB
speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter>
ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Western Digital model: WD1502FAEX-007BA0
size: 1.36 TiB speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter>
ID-3: /dev/sdc vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM010-2EP102 size: 931.51 GiB
speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter>
ID-4: /dev/sdd vendor: SanDisk model: Ultra size: 115.69 GiB type: USB
rev: 3.0 spd: 5 Gb/s lanes: 1 serial: <filter>
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 213.32 GiB used: 9.23 GiB (4.3%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
ID-2: /boot/efi size: 188 MiB used: 6.1 MiB (3.2%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda1
ID-3: /home size: 1.34 TiB used: 376.14 GiB (27.4%) fs: ext4
dev: /dev/sdb1
Swap:
ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 14.9 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2
dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 39.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 64.0 C
Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Repos:
Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2217
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
1: deb http://packages.linuxmint.com wilma main upstream import backport
2: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble main restricted universe multiverse
3: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble-updates main restricted universe multiverse
4: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble-backports main restricted universe multiverse
5: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ noble-security main restricted universe multiverse
Info:
Memory: total: 16 GiB available: 15.51 GiB used: 5.15 GiB (33.2%)
Processes: 374 Power: uptime: 1h 13m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 255
target: graphical (5) default: graphical
Compilers: gcc: 13.2.0 Shell: Bash v: 5.2.21 running-in: gnome-terminal
inxi: 3.3.34
 
I'm not a fan of Arch Linux. It seems half baked and buggy and not well supported in Linux.

Your hardware, and bios, might be too old to handle three different tasks for the monitor. I have screensaver and sleep modes disabled. I only use "monitor shutdown" enabled.

I have old hardware and had a problem with Linux rebooting after a shutdown. This eventually was fixed with, what I believe was, an update. Might fix your problem too.

Be sure you have "non-free" updates enabled in the software and updates section. Older, odd and newest, systems need these.

Sometimes I "force updates". Sudo apt-get updates followed by sudo apt-get upgrade (I think that's the commands for Mint).

I used, and liked, Mint for a long time but been using Debian for the last 8 years. It's the grand daddy of most downstream distributions. I know it's slow to update/upgrade and can be intimidating for newer users but I like the stability. Never use rolling release unless you like surprises!

I do have an arch machine running pfSense and runs flawless. But it runs on FreeBSD and that's another bag of worms.

Just noticed you machine has a NVIDIA graphics card. Those have been a known problem in Linux but I think it's gotten better with newer hardware and NVIDIA support.
 
Thanks for the reply, 21.3 worked fine w/o the monitor issue. I'll give forcing updates a shot.
Edit: everything was up to date.
 
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I've seen Ubuntu variants have conflicts between power management and the screen saver. One tries to go to sleep while the other kicks in, preventing it. In my case it has helped to disable all screen savers and set the timeout intervals with power management only.
 
MRC01 said:
I've seen Ubuntu variants have conflicts between power management and the screen saver. One tries to go to sleep while the other kicks in, preventing it. In my case it has helped to disable all screen savers and set the timeout intervals with power management only.
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Thanks, I tried that. I also disabled the screen saver, set the monitor to power off in lets say ten minutes, it goes off in ten minutes for a few seconds powers back on and won't go off until the computer goes to sleep.
 
I'm noticing that you have both onboard graphics and the NVidia card, are you able to remove the NVidia card and just use the onboard video?
 
demarpaint said:
Thanks, I tried that. I also disabled the screen saver, set the monitor to power off in lets say ten minutes, it goes off in ten minutes for a few seconds powers back on and won't go off until the computer goes to sleep.
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Sounds like power management is doing the right thing, but some other process is waking it up again. Likely candidates are LightDM and video drivers. Check for config & conflicts.
 
Running it through Claude, it says:

Thank you for providing the detailed system information. This is very helpful. I see you're indeed running Linux Mint 22 "Wilma" which is based on Ubuntu 24.04. This is a very recent release, which could explain some of the issues you're experiencing.

Given your system specifications and the problem you're facing, here are some targeted suggestions:

1. Graphics Drivers:
You're using the open-source Nouveau driver for your NVIDIA GeForce 210. This could potentially be causing issues with power management. Consider switching to the proprietary NVIDIA drivers:

```
sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
```

After installation, reboot your system.

2. Power Management Settings:
Since you're using Cinnamon desktop environment, you can try adjusting power settings through the Cinnamon settings:

```
cinnamon-settings power
```

Make sure "Suspend when inactive" is set to your desired time (2 hours in your case).

3. ACPI Settings:
Your system might have issues with ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface). Try adding the following kernel parameter to GRUB:

Edit `/etc/default/grub` and add `acpi=force` to the `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT` line. Then run:

```
sudo update-grub
```

Reboot your system after this change.

4. Check for conflicting processes:
Run the following command to see if any processes are preventing sleep:

```
journalctl | grep -i "blocked for more than"
```

5. Disable Screensaver:
Since the issue seems to occur when the screensaver activates, try disabling it completely:

```
gsettings set org.cinnamon.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled false
```

6. Update Firmware:
Your system's UEFI firmware is from 2018. Check if HP has released any newer firmware updates for your EliteDesk 800 G1 TWR.

7. Monitor Power Saving:
Ensure your monitor's power saving features are properly configured in its own menu system, not just in the OS settings.

8. PipeWire:
You're using PipeWire for audio. While it shouldn't directly affect power management, it's a relatively new system. Try switching back to PulseAudio temporarily to rule out any potential conflicts:

```
sudo apt install pulseaudio
sudo systemctl --user mask pipewire pipewire-pulse
sudo systemctl --user unmask pulseaudio
```

Reboot after this change.

If these steps don't resolve the issue, we might need to look into more advanced debugging techniques or consider filing a bug report with the Linux Mint team, as this could be a new issue with the recent release.

— it worked fine at 21.3.
—

Thank you for that additional information. The fact that it worked fine in Linux Mint 21.3 but not in 22 is quite significant. This suggests that the issue is likely related to changes introduced in the newer version. Let's approach this with that context in mind:

1. Downgrade consideration:
If the system is critical and you need it to work reliably right away, consider temporarily downgrading back to Linux Mint 21.3 until these issues are resolved in version 22.

2. Report the bug:
This is likely a regression bug that the Linux Mint developers would want to know about. Consider reporting it on the Linux Mint GitHub issues page or their official forums.

3. Kernel difference:
Linux Mint 22 is using a newer kernel (6.8.x) compared to 21.3. You could try booting with an older kernel if it's still available in your GRUB menu. At boot, hold Shift to access the GRUB menu and see if you can select an older kernel version.

4. Check for specific package updates:
Some specific packages related to power management might have changed. Check the versions of these packages:
```
dpkg -l | grep -E "acpi|pm-utils|upower|cinnamon-settings-daemon"
```
Compare these with the versions from your 21.3 installation if possible.

5. Revert Cinnamon settings:
Your Cinnamon settings might not have transferred cleanly in the upgrade. Try resetting Cinnamon to defaults:
```
gsettings reset-recursively org.cinnamon
```
Then reboot and reconfigure your power settings.

6. Examine logs:
Look for any power management related messages in the system logs:
```
journalctl -b 0 | grep -i "power\|sleep\|suspend"
```
This might give clues about what's happening when the system should be going to sleep.

7. Check for conflicting services:
A new service might be interfering with sleep. List all running services:
```
systemctl list-units --type=service
```
Look for anything unusual or new compared to your 21.3 setup.

8. Graphics driver check:
Ensure your graphics drivers didn't change in a way that's affecting power management. You're using the open-source Nouveau driver. Try switching to the proprietary NVIDIA driver if available, or vice versa if you were using proprietary before.

9. ACPI table update:
Sometimes, updating the ACPI tables can help. You can try:
```
sudo update-initramfs -u
```
Then reboot.

10. Monitor for specific events:
Use `watch` command to monitor system events when the issue occurs:
```
watch -n 1 'cat /sys/power/state; cat /sys/class/power_supply/AC/online'
```
Run this and observe what changes when the monitor should be turning off but doesn't.

Remember, since this is a very recent release of Linux Mint, there might be some bugs that haven't been ironed out yet. Your feedback to the Linux Mint community could be valuable in improving the distribution for everyone.
 
OVERKILL said:
I'm noticing that you have both onboard graphics and the NVidia card, are you able to remove the NVidia card and just use the onboard video?
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I haven't tried that I might as a last resort. Thanks for the info!
 
spackard said:
`/etc/default/grub` and add `acpi=force` to the `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT`
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Thanks! I'll start working on this, some of it I already tried, most of it however I haven't tried. There are no NVDA drivers for it any longer, all open source.
 
demarpaint said:
I haven't tried that I might as a last resort. Thanks for the info!
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Well, it might be a worthwhile troubleshooting step before you start messing with your configuration, since it's a lot easier than fixing config files if they get screwed up, lol.
 
OVERKILL said:
Well, it might be a worthwhile troubleshooting step before you start messing with your configuration, since it's a lot easier than fixing config files if they get screwed up, lol.
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Yea, that makes a lot of sense, thanks! I'm going to give that a shot in the next day or so.
 
OVERKILL said:
Well, it might be a worthwhile troubleshooting step before you start messing with your configuration, since it's a lot easier than fixing config files if they get screwed up, lol.
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I gave that a shot, no luck. I might have to wait out a fix maybe with a Kernel update.
 
Well after doing some more basic troubleshooting including swapping cables I decided to try another monitor. I swapped the DELL monitor I had been using for years with other versions of Linux mint and tried a Samsung monitor. It works now. The DELL monitor would power off then as soon as "SCANNING FOR SIGNAL" popped on the screen it would come on again. The Samsung monitor doesn't send that message so when it goes off, it stays off. I'm hoping for a fix only because the DELL monitor is a better fit on my desk.
 
I am a newer Linux user and this is just my experience so far..

I have a 2012 HP. AMD processor with integrated graphics plus NVIDIA graphics card. It seemed buggy with Mint 22 so I switched to LMDE. It's running better and the Power Management settings, suspend, work as they should.

Meanwhile, I have a newer computer build. Asus motherboard. AMD Ryzen 5700G CPU. Was on Mint 21.3 and on 22. With both those Ubuntu versions, the Power Management settings won't work. Then I boot on a live session with LMDE and they work fine. At this point, I'm about ready to kick Ubuntu to the curb and go Debian all the way. It just seems to work without all the bugs.
 
I have been trying for a week to get a good installation of Linux on my older PC. Seems there must be a trick to it. I haven't tried Debian yet, I need a tutorial.
 
I followed instructions from Linux/Mint. PC says there is no operating system on usb or the dvd I used. Not much fun creating that but I finally got it, then it won't boot.
 
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