Probably going for the Sebring, some questions

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Hi all,

Another one of my annoying threads, I know, but I get so much helpful information here and I am so confused about all of this...

I decided to pass on the 2007 Toyota Camry because I've heard of issues with
-I4 engines excessively burning oil
-Rough transmission shifting which has apparently lead to early transmission failures
-Paint peeling like an orange (almost all of the Camrys I looked at had paint that was in condition that was a little too worn out for its age)

So I've got a deposit now on the Sebring that I posted a week or so ago, found here:
http://www.bochtoyota.com/toyota-Vehicle...ser_id=14257306

Again, the main reason I am doing this is because my 2003 RSX is a manual and I live in a very congested city area, and everything the car needs is so expensive. I was offered $8,500 for my RSX with 1 accident by the previous owner on the Carfax. Combined with a $2,700 warranty and the car at $13,777, I'm looking at an even $8,000 difference. Is this logical? Does it make sense to do this? The car does have 60k less miles, and this particular year/engine combo of the Sebring has pretty good reliability (and I LOVE the car).

The main issues I've heard about the car are:
-Shifter won't shift out of park (TSB to address this, dealers should fix it for free)
-Engine stalling at low RPM (this is the I4, so it doesn't apply to me)
-Premature break wear (I4 has rear drums, small front pads/rotors, but the V6 has beefier discs all around)

Aside from that, it has EVERYTHING
Remote start, fog lamps, auto headlights, heated seats, heated side mirrors, power seats, EVIC computer, heated/chilled cupholders, premium Boston acoustics sound, and some more I won't blather into here, but it's quite a nice vehicle at a good price, fuel economy, looks, plus a smooth V6 and 6-speed auto. (I know, I sound like a salesman, but I just LOVE this car).

So is does this seem sensible to everyone?

As for maintenance, since the car is pretty low on miles, there's only a few things I feel I would need to do immediately (I'll loosely follow the severe service schedule with my private mechanic).
-Oil/Filter change (this is where I need the biggest advice), it calls for 10w30, or 5W30 if temps will be below 0F (1-3 times a year at most here in Boston), I presume I should go with 10w30? What do these Chrysler 3.5L's like? Synthetic or Dyno? What's a good synthetic for this engine? Filter? It only has 25k miles.
-Air filter/cabin air filter, because these should be taken care of at 15/30k intervals respectively
-Coolant flush. The car will be 5 years old, so this is due according to the service manual.
-ATF flush (30k miles)
-Drain any dormant washer fluid and replace it with the generic inexpensive -25F Blue stuff (never gets that cold here, and orange RainX is garbage).


So what does everyone think? Is this a good deal, and does it make sense? Will this particular Chrysler hold up? (I love the way it looks and drives), and what do you think of my maintenance schedule? Should I add anything to this list as well?

Thanks a ton for all your help so far,
smc733
 
Also, I was probably going to use primarily Shell for this car (which recommends 89 octane). But I'm not going to be religious about the "Top Tier" stuff when I make my 330 mile to my home town a few times a year (I'd have to hop off the highway, which frankly, makes no sense...) Mobil would be my alternative station.
 
I have a 96 Sebring that I ordered new when they first came out. the new model is WAY ahead of what I have. the 3.5 is a very nice engine. I'd run synthetic in it. mine gets Amsoil (it get's driven 110 per day), but nothing wrong with any of the leading ones. for ATF, make sure you use a True ATF+4, not some substitute with an additive. same with the coolant, ensure it is a HOAT (Chrysler or Zerex G04 (or G05, cant remember which)
 
If thats what you really like theres no stopping you, especially since it sounds like you did your research. I just dont trust anything made from chrysler in my experience.
 
There is no way in hades that I would get rid of an Accura for a Chrysler product. I've had two of them (a Dodge Durango and a Jeep Liberty) and had early problems with both. I was very happy to return them when their leases were up. It will be a long time before I will buy a Chrysler product again.
 
Go for it. But if you buy a $2700 warranty from a dealer you are a sucker, plain and simple. The exact same warranty's can be purchased on-line with a little searching for less than 1/3rd of that price. Use a credit card with 12-15 months o% and cash back rewards when you buy it, like a Discover.
 
Originally Posted By: OldCowboy
There is no way in hades that I would get rid of an Accura for a Chrysler product. I've had two of them (a Dodge Durango and a Jeep Liberty) and had early problems with both. I was very happy to return them when their leases were up. It will be a long time before I will buy a Chrysler product again.


I must agree: I'd never trade an Acura for a Chrysler. Don't trade good money for bad. With your current car, you at least know the issues. I've been fooled once before with a low cost-of-entry on the Chrysler brand. The cost to get out was much higher. I guess in other words, there is a reason it's so cheap.

I thought you were looking for a vehicle to add to your stable, not to replace your RSX.

I'll close with this, because my experiences with our 2007 Chrysler are well documented here and I won't go into them again. I would encourage you to not do this. But if you do, I do hope you have many happy miles with it.
 
That car would be my last choice. Although the "improved" 200 has gotten decent reviews, this is one of the earliest versions of this car and it was pretty much universally panned. I sat in one and couldn't get over the cheap plastic interior (Chrysler has upped their game considerably in the last couple of model years and their current interiors are very nice...not class-leading but leagues above what you'll find in this car). Before I plunked my money down, I'd peruse some owner reviews regarding this vehicle...I don't think you'll like what you read.
 
It's your money and most certainly your choice.
However, as a result of input from thousands of their
subscribers in their Annual Survey, Consumers Reports has rated the vehicle "MUCH WORSE THAN AVERAGE" with problems reported in the following areas....engine cooling, transmission, fuel system electrical, suspension, brakes, body integrity,and body hardware. In NEW car tests, it has been one of their POOREST rated cars. You might want to check
on on it much more yourself.
 
Originally Posted By: CMMeadAM
It's your money and most certainly your choice.
However, as a result of input from thousands of their
subscribers in their Annual Survey, Consumers Reports has rated the vehicle "MUCH WORSE THAN AVERAGE" with problems reported in the following areas....engine cooling, transmission, fuel system electrical, suspension, brakes, body integrity,and body hardware. In NEW car tests, it has been one of their POOREST rated cars. You might want to check
on on it much more yourself.


Plus:
"The 2007 redesign is a disappointment overall. The interior is cheap and has poor fit and finish. There are better sedans available."

Even with all this said and the fact that you like it, I wouldn't look at it because the shifter currently doesn't work. I don't care that it will be fixed for free, that may be a recurring issue.
 
Wow,

Thanks everyone for the replies!

So what would be a good replacement for my Acura?

I liked the Camry, but 2007-2009 has WAY too many problems.
How are the 2009/2010 Corollas?

What about a 2006-2007 Ford Five Hundred/Fusion?

If I put a deposit down on a vehicle and signed, do I lose that deposit, or can I get it back (nbd either way, it was only 200).
 
The Fusion will likely be a good choice. They're pretty solid cars and have a good track record. We have two 2011 models at work (Hybrids) and they've both been good. The white one has needed a lot of repairs lately, but it was also wrecked, so I think a number of them can probably be blamed on the wreck.

Look also at a 2005-2007 Honda Accord. Transmissions are not an issue in that generation and they're the last Accord generation before the 2008 model got larger and floatier. If you like how your RSX drives, I think you'd like how one of those Accords drive. I test-drove a 2007 Accord V-6 before I bought my CR-V, and that Accord drove like a go-kart (especially compared with my Camry). It was quite a lot of fun to drive. And the overall reliability of Accords is pretty good.

If you like Corollas, I'd stay with 2008 and prior. The 2009 generation got a cheaper-looking interior. I had a 2007 and loved it. I'd still have it if my wife could drive stick, but it was our only other car when we had our Chrysler minivan and with the Chrysler at the dealer all the time, we were messed up with transportation, so I traded that Corolla on a Camry so she'd have something to drive when the van was laid up.
 
Interesting, I might be able to get a decent deal on a Fusion at some point...

I do like the Accords a lot, but I wonder do they suffer from the road noise most Hondas do? I like that they have the K-engine my Acura has, that's always a plus.

I found a really really good deal here:
http://www.bochtoyota.com/toyota-Vehicle...ser_id=14294954

Only 11k miles, certified, and from the same dealer that is giving me way more on my trade than others... Plus its loaded.

Will stability control and traction control help in the snow? It's pretty loaded for this year too.
 
Don't know where you got your information that the 2007-2009
Camry "has way too many problems" but our fleet experience has been just the opposite. We have used several brands, but the Camry's have been the most problem free cars along with the
lowest cost of operation.

We also have several Camry's in the family ranging from
2004 to a new 2012. One of them just turned 280K miles
and it's 4 cyliner engine burns no oil, has experienced no transmission problems and the paint is as good as new.
( It's well maintained ). The condition of any used car is dependant on the care by it's owner.

Also, Consumers Reports has consistently rated the car as "Better than Average" with no problem areas reported.
Again, check it out yourself.

As to the higher road noise in the Accord, that has been a oft cited complant by it's owners. Toyota does a better job with NVH ( Noise, Vibration< Harshness ) than Honda does, It is also an excellent car however.

As for the Corolla, I doubt you'd like it's ride, or road noise after the Lexus. It doesn't even begin to compare to the Camry, and we've owned both.

Time for lot's of homework !
 
I also have no idea where you found the information that the 2007-2009 Camry's have many problems...

Only "problem" is that they aren't fun to drive... I wouldn't call that a problem though... haha lol
 
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The Camry's are quiet, comfortable, economical and problem free. FUN to own ! Just what "fun" can you have in daily commuting traffic ot on heavily traveled Interstates.

We have "fun" when we track out "fun" cars not being
JERKS on the streets or well traveled roads.

The "fun" and "sporty" commentary for daily drivers is
nonsense !
 
+1 on the Fusion or 05-07 Accord. The Fusion was good right out of the box and has received high marks for driveability and reliability (the first-gen 2006-2009 may have a slight edge in reliability to the current Fusion). Either engine (3.0L V6 or 2.3L I4) will get the job done. I wasn't terribly smitten with the interior (a little bland) but seating is comfortable and space is good. If I were looking for a solid mid-sizer I'd definitely consider the Fusion.
 
Semi off-topic, but has anyone with a Fusion noticed creaking or loose front seat backs? Both of the 2011 Fusions at work have developed this issue. You can hear the seat backs creak and shift when accelerating from a stop and when braking. It seems to be coming from the lower seat back area, like down around where a hinge would be.

Just wondering if others experience this, or if this is a noted problem.
 
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