Prestone Extended Life 5-year - Dex-Cool????

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I heard that the Prestone Green Extended Life 5-year is similar to Dex-Cool and NOT to be used in Fords...

I switched over from 2-year green in the 2000 Crown Vic to the 5-year Prestone Extended Life (green). What's going to happen?

I was about to do the switch on the 2003 E-250...

I don't see any G-05 for sale at Wal-Mart.
 
Ford prefers a G-05 such as their premium gold antifreeze. I'm not convinced there's anything in DEX-COOL® or the various dexclones that would specifically damage Ford's cooling system components, but, just so you know... I've found Zerex G-05 at Pep Boys if that gives you a starting point. (Mopar's orange brew, while it looks like DEX-COOL®, is actually an orange variation of G-05.)
 
Prestone extended life green and Dex-cool both contain 2-ethylhexanoic acid (2-EHA) which softens plastic (as in gaskets) and could be responsible for the intake manifold gasket problems in GM engines. This is why Ford does not use it. There was a great article on this subject in the August 2004 issue of Motor magazine.
 
What do Japanese cars use for gaskets? I'd be surprised if they didn't switch to silicone/polymers by now.
 
I don't know why Valvoline/Zerex reccomends Dex-Cool for Asian cars but I do know that Toyota and Honda both have their own proprietary coolants. They are both hybrid chemestry (although different from GO5) using organic acid and phosphates. I don't know about other Asian makes but according to the information I have no Asian cars use Dex-Col as their factory fill.
 
Falconman, I would not buy that argument if it came with a free after mail in rebate. There are a certain few GM engines that have gasket problems. If you've ever takan one apart, especially the 3.1/3.4, you'll see why they leak. Tell me this, why do engines other than the 3.1s/3.4s and the varients of the older 350 do not leak with dexcool???
 
Ah, the persistant myth of 2-EH "softening plastics" raises its ugly head yet again. I spent an entire evening researching a half dozen chemical companies worldwide on the net which produce 2-EH for industrial, cosmetic, pharmaceutical, and food preservation purposes over a year ago to check this out, and it's baloney. 2-EH can be used to formulate plasticizers, but is not, itself, a plasticizer. To illustrate, glycerol can be used to formulate nitroglycerine, but is not, itself, an unstable explosive. The companies selling 2-EH ship the stuff in its hydrated concentrated form in plastic bulk containers - how much a plasticiser could it be?

GM's gasket problems did not originate with DEX-COOL®. They were the result of fitting a plastic intake manifold, itself exhibiting minimal thermal expansion characteristcs, to aluminum heads in a V configuration device subject to very high thermal expansion characteristics. (GM chose plastic as a coolant carrying crossover channel for its insulating properties to aid engine warm-up for minimal emissions.) Think of a V "growing" apart but bridged with a relatively constant dimension plastic piece. The only thing that could "give" was the sealing gasket. Whether the latest intake manifold gaskets from GM and Felpro for these problem engines have solved the problem remains to be seen. Time, not claims, will tell the tale.
 
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Originally posted by falconman:
I don't know about other Asian makes but according to the information I have no Asian cars use Dex-Col as their factory fill.

Somebody posted within the last six months that Mazda does.
 
Ford uses a plastic intake manifold with an aluminum coolant crossover in the front. The intake fits over the aluminum heads with a flat interface (even though it is a V8).
 
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Originally posted by falconman:
Prestone extended life green and Dex-cool both contain 2-ethylhexanoic acid (2-EHA) which softens plastic (as in gaskets) and could be responsible for the intake manifold gasket problems in GM engines. This is why Ford does not use it. There was a great article on this subject in the August 2004 issue of Motor magazine.

Green? The Prestone Extended Life that I use is orange, not green....
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Originally posted by MarkC:
The Prestone Extended Life that I use is orange, not green....

Two thoughts, Mark:

1> Did your Prestone come in a silver-gray jug? If so it was Prestone's GM-licensed DEX-COOL®.

2> If it came in the familiar yellow Prestone jug, someone at the bottling plant goofed and pumped the above in the wrong jugs that you got for an extra discount. Congratulations!
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Originally posted by Drew99GT:
Tell me this, why do engines other than the 3.1s/3.4s and the varients of the older 350 do not leak with dexcool???

Different engine = different design = different materials = different performance. By the way, what's with the snotty atitude, Drew? I thought we were supposed to act like gentlemen on this forum.
 
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Originally posted by Ray H:
Ah, the persistant myth of 2-EH "softening plastics" raises its ugly head yet again. I spent an entire evening researching a half dozen chemical companies worldwide on the net which produce 2-EH for industrial, cosmetic, pharmaceutical, and food preservation purposes over a year ago to check this out, and it's baloney. 2-EH can be used to formulate plasticizers, but is not, itself, a plasticizer. To illustrate, glycerol can be used to formulate nitroglycerine, but is not, itself, an unstable explosive. The companies selling 2-EH ship the stuff in its hydrated concentrated form in plastic bulk containers - how much a plasticiser could it be?

GM's gasket problems did not originate with DEX-COOL®. They were the result of fitting a plastic intake manifold, itself exhibiting minimal thermal expansion characteristcs, to aluminum heads in a V configuration device subject to very high thermal expansion characteristics. (GM chose plastic as a coolant carrying crossover channel for its insulating properties to aid engine warm-up for minimal emissions.) Think of a V "growing" apart but bridged with a relatively constant dimension plastic piece. The only thing that could "give" was the sealing gasket. Whether the latest intake manifold gaskets from GM and Felpro for these problem engines have solved the problem remains to be seen. Time, not claims, will tell the tale.


Wether or not Dex-Cool deteriorates gaskets, if there's nothing wrong with it, then why has Chrysler, Ford, and several Japanese carmakers tested it and rejected its use in their cars?
For my money I'll continue to use conventional green antifreeze and change it regulary. If I do decide to use a "long life" antifreeze I'll pick something with a better track record like GO5.
 
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Originally posted by Ray H:

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Originally posted by MarkC:
The Prestone Extended Life that I use is orange, not green....

Two thoughts, Mark:

1> Did your Prestone come in a silver-gray jug? If so it was Prestone's GM-licensed DEX-COOL®.

2> If it came in the familiar yellow Prestone jug, someone at the bottling plant goofed and pumped the above in the wrong jugs that you got for an extra discount. Congratulations!
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These days it comes in the gray jug. I've never seen any Prestone that said Extended Life in any other jug. Maybe I didn't look very hard.
No matter, the orange stuff is doing fine in my Jeep for almost 10 years, and I'd bet my cooling system is one of the cleanest ones you'll see on 10 year old vehicle.
 
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Originally posted by falconman:
Wether or not Dex-Cool deteriorates gaskets, if there's nothing wrong with it, then why has Chrysler, Ford, and several Japanese carmakers tested it and rejected its use in their cars?

Well, since Chrysler, Ford, Honda, Nissan, and Toyota all have their own brand proprietary or semi-proprietary antifreeze/coolant products they sell through their respective franchised stealerships, five immediate reasons come to mind*...
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Make no mistake - there aren't any bad established antifreeze products now that high silicate content conventional brews are an historical footnote. There are misapplications due to poor component design and/or poor preparation when changing from one chemistry to another. GM, for instance, has filled Honda V6 engine cooling systems in the Saturn Vue from the getgo with DEX-COOL® with virtually no problems - despite Honda's hyperventilated objections. (All the controlled testing in the world that automakers undertake to "prove" their fluid is the only permissable product means diddly-squat once real-world testing in the hands of actual consumers commences and continues successfully for over a decade. Though naysayers deny it, people have had excellent results with DEX-COOL® and its dexclone variants.)

*As far as DaimlerChrysler and Ford are concerned, their long-life antifreeze are dye variations on G-05 - which I suspect Norm & Imelda Average are blissfully unaware. Those three Japanese coolants are essentially the same - non-2EH OAT with phosphate added as hybrid corrosion protection. No doubt that approach is very effective, but what I haven't had a reasonable explanation for is why there are no aftermarket variants of same - insufficient Japanese car market penetration in North America? (Pphh, right - tell that to GM and Ford...) Patent considerations? (Like all three major Japanese players hold the same patents? Yeah, that works, too...
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Toyota is now #2 in the US and #2 in the world for vehicle production. Ford and Daimler are below Toyota, and GM is #1 in the world and US for vehicle production. We should at least see "Toyota" anti-freeze at Wal-Mart by now
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The gray jug Prestone EL is their licensed DexCool. They have a new EL 5/150k anti-freeze in a yellow jug (looks JUST like the 2-year green) and the anti-freeze has a green dye.
 
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