PQIA tests obsolete and poorly labeled oils

[fsskier]

Originally Posted By: Shrubitup
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ

I agree, but they are labeled as "Motor Oils" and positioned on the motor oil shelves. Very deceptive, and neither lawmakers or industry have lifted a finger to stop it for decades.

I define evil as the exploitation of innocence for self gain.

Tom NJ


A underprivileged inner city family can go to the library for free and read BITOG to educate themselves on this topic. Why laud their cause when they can read? Or can they?
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Thank you Tom for your definition of evil, well said.

I am stunned that anyone thinks that its ok to fool people in order to profit and steal their money. Shrubitup, was it also OK for Bernie Madoff to steal all those peoples money because they did not hire an accounting firm to verify his investment strategy. Did you test your dogfood for melamine, knowing that a supplier would happily kill your dog for increased profits? One of our largest national egg suppliers happily selling salmonella contaminated eggs, knowing that they can undercut their competitors by reckless short cuts to food safety. No doubt you went to the library and learned about them before your family was stricken with food born illness and the infirm were killed. A scam a minute is ok, steal what you can from dumb people.

In my world, honesty and integrity are more important than profits. If I had to resort to deceptive practices in order to be competitive I would choose a different line of business.

Gotta run now, Rachel from Credit Card Services just called.

 

[Shrubitup]

Originally Posted By: fsskier


I am stunned that anyone thinks that its ok to fool people in order to profit and steal their money. Shrubitup, was it also OK for Bernie Madoff to steal all those peoples money because they did not hire an accounting firm to verify his investment strategy. Did you test your dogfood for melamine, knowing that a supplier would happily kill your dog for increased profits? One of our largest national egg suppliers happily selling salmonella contaminated eggs, knowing that they can undercut their competitors by reckless short cuts to food safety. No doubt you went to the library and learned about them before your family was stricken with food born illness and the infirm were killed. A scam a minute is ok, steal what you can from dumb people.




It's true that the poor purchase on price predominantly but there's sales where you can get national brands for comparable cost on nearly every product line. I'm not poor but I am limited so I shop based on coupon specials close outs etc but I do not buy inferior products - especially food.

 

[fsskier]

Thats great that you do not buy inferior food. DeCoster eggs were sold through most major chains, (they also paid bribes when needed), I bet you got some. The Melamine contaminated dog food (it helps you cheat the protein tests required in the best dog foods) appeared in several of the highest priced brands.

We cannot eliminate all scammers/profiteers here on BITOG but we can recognize it and maybe at least get them out of motor oil!

Anyway, now Rachel from Credit Card Services says she can reduce my credit card rate. If I would just verify my number! Verifying it means I read it to her......

No doubt you recognize the importance of discouraging scammers instead of just blaming the victims.

 

[Solarent]

Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Who goes to the library and reads up on every product they buy? People read labels and tend to trust the claims made by the manufacturer. Companies that claim or imply that an oil is suitable for your car when in fact it can cause damage are evil IMO.

The vast majority of consumers, regardless of income and education, know nothing about the API Service Categories. Companies often target these SA and SB oils at lower income people because poor people tend to buy based on price, and these cheap oils can be sold for a little less than national brands. Such companies are taking advantage of these people by exploiting their lack of knowledge on motor oils while appealing to their need to save money. They don't care at all that they are damaging the engines of the people who can least afford to repair them. Disgusting!

Tom NJ


Couldn't agree more. I came across this nugget a couple of weeks back while catching up on some reading:

"The most successful brands would appear to have all drawn a critical conclusion:
While on one hand there have been impressive technological improvements in lubricant product development, on the other, customers increasingly see product quality as a given - a license to operate.
And why wouldn't they? Given the bewildering complexity of global and regional lubricant specifications, consumers look to the brand for reassurance rather than wade through all the small print of myriad approvals." - LNG Magazine, June 2015

Being a low cost "no name" oil is a type of branding - and unfortunately like Tom asserts these companies are taking advantage of people who would otherwise trust a low-cost brand. Its a terrible practice.
The quality brands of the world should do more to educate the consumer. So should the OEM's. And governments should prosecute those who mislead customers and get those products off the shelves.

 

[bbhero]

I agree 100% on this point Tom. I really think many of these highly educated people near me have 0 clue about what oil meet their cars specs. I was very clueless myself until I started really taking better care of my car 15 yrs plus ago.

I also agree with you about it being just plain evil for any chickenheads to sell way out of spec oil to people who can least afford it. It is has you say.. Definition of evil. It also breaks the Word given to us by Jesus .. Do unto others has one have have done unto oneself. Golden rule. It still applies to all of us today.

 

[Stelth]

What bothers me about these latest "motor oils" is that they are put out by "legitimate" motor oil blenders. Amalie and Smitty's apparently know how to make a decent oil, but then they sell this dreck and call it motor oil. I have some Super S oil in the stash at the moment, but when it's gone, I don't think I'll buy any more. I don't think I'll patronize Amalie either. Xcel and Black Knight don't appear to be good for anything, let alone use in an internal combustion engine.

From looking at the PQIA website, it's clear that Amalie can make a decent non-detergent oil (Wolf's Head), so putting out trash like Black Knight is inexcusable.

The last time I needed ND oil, I bought Valvoline. I haven't done a UOA, but I'd bet money it's not full of calcium, VII's and silicon.

 

[Brons2]

Originally Posted By: bbhero
I hate to break it to you but 70% of the people in the suburbs a. Don't work on their own cars so they have 0 clue about what goes in those cars. My local Walmart has a rather poor automotive and oil section in it because if the low percentage of people who even just change their own oil. Compare my Wally world to the one up in Mechanicsville is like night and day practically. Why? Because there is a much higher percentage if those people who actually do some work on their own cars and trucks. Unlike where I am at in Williamsburg. These people could easily be ripped off because they pay someone else to put a bulk oil in it. Would they know the difference?? I highly doubt it. So these suburb folks could easily be charged $150 for a synthetic oil change that in fact was a conventional one. And they would not know the difference at all. In fact maybe someone could talk them into "headlight juice" and they would go ..ahhh OK sounds good go ahead and do that too. I am sorry but I am surrounded by people that wouldn't know a drive belt if it hit them upside the head

in their Lexus, BMW, etc.

Now, I am in favor if people being knowing enough about their cars to make good decisions. And that should be their responsibility but it also seems quite under handed for businesses to put clearly out if spec oil on their shelves. It is just taking advantage of people in a fashion that is just wrong in every sense of the word. Ohh and the 711 near me has their brand of oil and it is an API SN approved oil. In the midst of several nearby large high end neighborhoods. I agree with you that these people aren't very likely at all to need to buy oil at our convience stores. But... If they happened to... It wouldn't be massively out of specification.




+1

The denigration of "ghetto dwellers" for being ignorant of what oil to buy, while at the same time characterizing the rich executive in the suburbs as "just not having enough time to do it themselves", is short sighted.

Neither party above knows what the correct spec is to get...

 

[MolaKule]

The results of these oils are despicable. There is no excuse for this.

It sounds like they, Amalie and Smitty's, needs a knowledgeable formulator with some ethics.

 

[Brian Barnhart]

Originally Posted By: Tom NJ

... I define evil as the exploitation of innocence for self gain.


In this case, I suggest it's exploitation of ignorance for self gain. The result is the same, but I believe it's a distinction worth considering.

 

[53' Stude]

Thanks Molakule for your knowledge and input on this. I am reading on PQIA as we type/speak

Thank you Molakule