PQIA issues Consumer Alert on two motor oils
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Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
I'm sure most BITOG folks would steer clear of these oils, but the other 99.99% of the population doesn't have a clue. It wouldn't surprise me if these oils are in thousands of engines.
Nothing irks me more than those who prey on the innocent.
Tom NJ
Agree 100%!
Tom!
I'm sure most BITOG folks would steer clear of these oils, but the other 99.99% of the population doesn't have a clue. It wouldn't surprise me if these oils are in thousands of engines.
Nothing irks me more than those who prey on the innocent.
Tom NJ
Agree 100%!
This is actually scarier than it sounds.
Certainly none of us here would ever buy that [censored] oil, but we're what, 2% of the buying public? I suppose for a one-time emergency top-up on a trip that oil most likely would not have any serious effect, but a whole sump-full would be bad.
The really scary part is that this is what America has become...foisting junk products on the unsuspecting/unsophisticated public just to beef up profit margins. I suspect Shell, irrespective of the lip-service their rep just provided, will do nothing. "They're independent dealers. It's not our problem". This is the same reason you see and hear those disclaimers on McDonald's commercials: "Price and participation may vary."...because each franchise is "independently owned" and McDonald's Corp can't tell them how to run it......sad. My thinking is that if it SAYS "McDonald's" on it, then it IS a McDonald's and should be subject to their oversight. Same should apply to Shell.
Certainly none of us here would ever buy that [censored] oil, but we're what, 2% of the buying public? I suppose for a one-time emergency top-up on a trip that oil most likely would not have any serious effect, but a whole sump-full would be bad.
The really scary part is that this is what America has become...foisting junk products on the unsuspecting/unsophisticated public just to beef up profit margins. I suspect Shell, irrespective of the lip-service their rep just provided, will do nothing. "They're independent dealers. It's not our problem". This is the same reason you see and hear those disclaimers on McDonald's commercials: "Price and participation may vary."...because each franchise is "independently owned" and McDonald's Corp can't tell them how to run it......sad. My thinking is that if it SAYS "McDonald's" on it, then it IS a McDonald's and should be subject to their oversight. Same should apply to Shell.
Originally Posted By: TFB1
The guys that like water for oil should be thrilled...
GREAT POINT!!!
The "thin guys" silence is DEAFENING!
The guys that like water for oil should be thrilled...
GREAT POINT!!!
The "thin guys" silence is DEAFENING!
Looks like all the house brands are A-OK to use. Advance, Autozone, and Walmart.
I'd use any with confidence. If they could keep the price a little lower, then I would buy them, but Mobil Super is only $11.50 so that gets my purchase..
I'd use any with confidence. If they could keep the price a little lower, then I would buy them, but Mobil Super is only $11.50 so that gets my purchase..
I'm sorry, but I have very little sympathy for a customer that uses those oils.
The whole purpose of the API certification process is to show products that meet their standards and are safe to use. There is enough literature out there on what the symbols and letter mean that it is easy to know what an owner should use.
If you are intelligent and literate enough to drive a car, you are intelligent enough to read a basic label on a bottle. One bottle does not have an API donut symbol on it at all, and the other has something that looks like one, but it also says 'for API service SC...'
I am SO TIRED of customers in our marketplace having NO responsibility to use basic intelligence to make decisions that will not harm them. Bright yellow Pennzoil bottles are known as a quality product, just use that!!! If someone chooses this product solely on price and is too cheap to buy a quality product, sorry, your bad.
Yes, the company that made the oil lied and put false labels on a product - but if no-one bought them, they'd just go out of business. Intelligence on the part of consumers would get rid of these clowns so fast.....
The whole purpose of the API certification process is to show products that meet their standards and are safe to use. There is enough literature out there on what the symbols and letter mean that it is easy to know what an owner should use.
If you are intelligent and literate enough to drive a car, you are intelligent enough to read a basic label on a bottle. One bottle does not have an API donut symbol on it at all, and the other has something that looks like one, but it also says 'for API service SC...'
I am SO TIRED of customers in our marketplace having NO responsibility to use basic intelligence to make decisions that will not harm them. Bright yellow Pennzoil bottles are known as a quality product, just use that!!! If someone chooses this product solely on price and is too cheap to buy a quality product, sorry, your bad.
Yes, the company that made the oil lied and put false labels on a product - but if no-one bought them, they'd just go out of business. Intelligence on the part of consumers would get rid of these clowns so fast.....
It's easy to pass off any fraud with "buyer beware", but the reality is that most people have information gaps in areas that are not of interest or priority. People have a tendency to trust others, especially in fields where we have little knowledge. So when the bottle label says the oil provides "excellent protection against engine wear, sludge, and rust", and has words like "Gold Plus" and "the best", most accept this. Even on BITOG, people frequently discuss and accept product claims and data without any verification. That's just human nature, and I don't hold it against them.
Scam artists exist because humans are not perfect, and they exploit these imperfections for profit. I agree people should be more knowledgeable on more subjects, but they are not. People buy these oils because of price, convenience, or claims, and trust that the manufacturer is honest. We do the same every day as we eat foods prepared in restaurants, or buy commodities from Walmart.
The problem isn't the consumer, and neither is the solution. The problem is the exploiter, and the solution is exposure and prosecution.
Tom NJ
Scam artists exist because humans are not perfect, and they exploit these imperfections for profit. I agree people should be more knowledgeable on more subjects, but they are not. People buy these oils because of price, convenience, or claims, and trust that the manufacturer is honest. We do the same every day as we eat foods prepared in restaurants, or buy commodities from Walmart.
The problem isn't the consumer, and neither is the solution. The problem is the exploiter, and the solution is exposure and prosecution.
Tom NJ
Tom, well said.
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