PQIA issues ANOTHER Consumer Alert – Everclear

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Who makes this stuff? I see on the bottle (at least it looks like it) that it is made *by*, not *for* Everclear. So when I google it:

http://everclearoil.com/automotive

it says it's recycled oil. I couldn't find a PDS on their site, only an MSDS. Forgive my ignorance but what exactly is recycled oil? Not redistilled or re-manufactured I'm guessing. Just filtered and rebottled?
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Who makes this stuff? I see on the bottle (at least it looks like it) that it is made *by*, not *for* Everclear. So when I google it:

http://everclearoil.com/automotive

it says it's recycled oil. I couldn't find a PDS on their site, only an MSDS. Forgive my ignorance but what exactly is recycled oil? Not redistilled or re-manufactured I'm guessing. Just filtered and rebottled?


I notice, in the link that your provided, that their is an illustration of a tanker truck on it's way out to make a delivery of oil.

I wonder what lucky Quick Lube operation will be getting a delivery of Everclear to fill up the bulk oil vat for oil changes?

This oil is going into someones vehicles?
 
Yeah, "the refinery". I think "the refinery" is shown in a few of those pictures. I also liked the quality control lab. A few beakers, a magnetic stirrer/hotplate and some colored water. Nice.
 
Thanks Tom for your information and keeping the public informed on another bogus oil on the market.

I guess there are a lot of oils out on the market, being sold on a retail level, disguised as quality and nobody knows for sure what's their composition.

Looks like in order for consumers to really protect themselves from unknown oils that "state" that they meet the API standards is request the PDS and MSDS on any "strange" brew that appears on the retail level.

I know that I've had some problems trying to find out, who made oils and who bottled the oil, sold. I have also found it impossible to get the PDS and the MSDS on those brands, when requested. IMO....that just proves to me that these oils should not be purchased and to be avoided....no matter how good they look in a container.
 
Originally Posted By: stubbakatt
That Wickliffe Shell in Austintown, OH must have THE worst oil selection. Everclear, Liberty Gold and Bullseye were all purchased at the same location.


So multiple oils are coming from the same station? Isn't that kind of bad testing? Although, I admit I didn't scrutinize the results of this test, is there verification through a second vendor that this oil doesn't meet specs? Let's say for argument sake the owner of an establishment was loading bottles with drain oil.

Just seems like more randomness in the locations purchased would be better testing proceedure. Then again, maybe they can't find so much d-list oil anywhere else.
 
Originally Posted By: stubbakatt
That Wickliffe Shell in Austintown, OH must have THE worst oil selection. Everclear, Liberty Gold and Bullseye were all purchased at the same location.

It's a suburb of Youngstown. That's all I need to know.
 
Originally Posted By: Letter_K
Originally Posted By: stubbakatt
That Wickliffe Shell in Austintown, OH must have THE worst oil selection. Everclear, Liberty Gold and Bullseye were all purchased at the same location.


So multiple oils are coming from the same station? Isn't that kind of bad testing? Although, I admit I didn't scrutinize the results of this test, is there verification through a second vendor that this oil doesn't meet specs? Let's say for argument sake the owner of an establishment was loading bottles with drain oil.

Just seems like more randomness in the locations purchased would be better testing proceedure. Then again, maybe they can't find so much d-list oil anywhere else.


How exactly is the owner going to do this? Buy his own containers, fill them will drain oil, seal them and then label them with a manufacturer's logo?
 
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Why are they testing non API oils? Wouldn't it be a better idea to test oils that a person would normally buy? Maybe test more private label oils that claim to meet SL,SM or SN specs instead of wasting time on the non detergent stuff?


People who buy oil normally buy something that says motor oil on it. I guarantee the majority of the population has no idea what an API rating is.

If these warnings are increasing awareness in any way, I'm all for them.

Besides, many of these non-detergent oils have major viscosity issues as well, and some have other issues (Everclear has 40 ppm of silicon, 11 ppm of iron, and 26 ppm of copper right out of the bottle, and it isn't the only one they have tested with these issues!)
 
Originally Posted By: qdeezie
Not to hijack the thread , but no everclear in nc? I did not know that! Its been around for a while ( not that i ever buy it).

NC Everclear Banned


I imagine the sales of grape juice have collapsed as well...
 
Originally Posted By: Letter_K
Originally Posted By: stubbakatt
That Wickliffe Shell in Austintown, OH must have THE worst oil selection. Everclear, Liberty Gold and Bullseye were all purchased at the same location.


So multiple oils are coming from the same station? Isn't that kind of bad testing? Although, I admit I didn't scrutinize the results of this test, is there verification through a second vendor that this oil doesn't meet specs? Let's say for argument sake the owner of an establishment was loading bottles with drain oil.

Just seems like more randomness in the locations purchased would be better testing proceedure. Then again, maybe they can't find so much d-list oil anywhere else.


I have to disagree with you there. I'm sure there have been lots of complaints by consumers and auto mechanics about people with sludged up engines. After an investigation, the source may have been traced back to these oils coming from this business.

What are the odds of one service station, in that specific geographic location, being responsible for carrying 3 or 4 bogus oils to be sold to the consumer? One bogus oil....maybe....but 3 or 4 from the same retail establishment creates the indisputable fact that their is a pattern of fraud and deceit.

I'm glad that PQIA is listening to the voice of the public and should be commended for following up to test these oils. Don't forget that its the consumer that needs to be the eyes and ears of regulation, especially at the retail level, to bring attention to bogus oils being sold to the innocent consumer.

Regulation of goods and services should always start with the consumer.
 
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Who makes this stuff?

I do. In my garage. But I didn't have any petroleum to work with, only chocolate syrup and some sand....give me a break!
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Originally Posted By: Letter_K
So multiple oils are coming from the same station? Isn't that kind of bad testing? Although, I admit I didn't scrutinize the results of this test, is there verification through a second vendor that this oil doesn't meet specs? Let's say for argument sake the owner of an establishment was loading bottles with drain oil.

Just seems like more randomness in the locations purchased would be better testing proceedure. Then again, maybe they can't find so much d-list oil anywhere else.


The retail outlets where the oils are purchased are selected randomly, with an effort to sample different regions of the country. The individual oils within a store are selected based on what is available and has not yet been analyzed. Multiple bottles of each brand are purchased and retains are kept. All bottles are sealed at the time of purchase and sent to an independent lab for analysis. There is absolutely no targeting of stores, brands, or classes of trade. PQIA is only concerned with protecting consumers by checking whether the oil in the bottle matches the label claims and is not deceptively presented.

As for this specific Shell outlet, just speculating here, but I suspect the store owner may have been the victim of a slick salesperson offering low cost oil during hard times, and had no idea that the oil quality was so inappropriate for modern engines. Store owners are business people, not oil experts, and like most average people probably wouldn't know an API Donut symbol if it stood up and bit him.

Tom NJ

Note: I am an advisor to PQIA but not an employee, and my posts on BITOG are my personal opinions as an individual.
 
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
PQIA exposes another bogus motor oil. The sample of Everclear 5w30 looks like a straight 20 weight and has little or no additives. Once again, a product masquerading as a motor oil and claiming to protect your engine, when in reality it would likely damage any modern engine.

Petroleum Quality Institute of America

Tom NJ


Good job Tom. It really is surprising that lubricants like these can make it on the shelf of *any* store.
 
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: Letter_K
So multiple oils are coming from the same station? Isn't that kind of bad testing? Although, I admit I didn't scrutinize the results of this test, is there verification through a second vendor that this oil doesn't meet specs? Let's say for argument sake the owner of an establishment was loading bottles with drain oil.

Just seems like more randomness in the locations purchased would be better testing proceedure. Then again, maybe they can't find so much d-list oil anywhere else.


The retail outlets where the oils are purchased are selected randomly, with an effort to sample different regions of the country. The individual oils within a store are selected based on what is available and has not yet been analyzed. Multiple bottles of each brand are purchased and retains are kept. All bottles are sealed at the time of purchase and sent to an independent lab for analysis. There is absolutely no targeting of stores, brands, or classes of trade. PQIA is only concerned with protecting consumers by checking whether the oil in the bottle matches the label claims and is not deceptively presented.


Cool, that was all I was asking. If good testing procedure such as multiple tests with oil from more than one retail establishment were being done.

For the person who questioned how it could happen, don't get all bent out of shape. This is hypothetical, but if you ever go behind behind a service station or oil change shop you can usually find empty bottles. One with little expense can buy new caps and pour oil back into the bottles. Let's remember these are service stations and most people buy one quart, not a case of oil for top up purposes. A service station doesn't need a shelf with more than 10 or so bottles.

Again, completely hypothetical. My only concern was that proper testing and verification were being done. Any confusion, read my post as it is and don't try to look between the lines for any sort of attack.
 
Originally Posted By: river_rat
Fine print on the back of the bottle says it's an API SC oil.


Who really aspires to make [censored] and expect people to buy it. Sadly people do Im sure. If they carry Accell non detergent SA at walmart then this [censored] must be selling too.
 
According to the National Petrochemical & Refiners Association (NPRA), 275 million gallons of obsolete motor oil were sold in 2001, and that was 10 years ago. That's a LOT of engines wearing away and sludging up. I suspect the sales are increasing with the current recession as folks try to save money, plus there is no penalty and nobody watching (until now). It's a serious consumer problem.

Obsolete Oils

Tom NJ
 
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
According to the National Petrochemical & Refiners Association (NPRA), 275 million gallons of obsolete motor oil were sold in 2001, and that was 10 years ago. That's a LOT of engines wearing away and sludging up. I suspect the sales are increasing with the current recession as folks try to save money, plus there is no penalty and nobody watching (until now). It's a serious consumer problem.

Obsolete Oils

Tom NJ


I remember reading an estimate somewhere that between 10 and 15% off all the motor oil sold at the retail level in the US is API SA rated oil. That is scary.
 
Originally Posted By: yaris0128


Who really aspires to make [censored] and expect people to buy it. Sadly people do Im sure. If they carry Accell non detergent SA at walmart then this [censored] must be selling too.


SA spec oils still have valid applications calling for it. I have two industrial air compressors that specifically call for this spec oil.
 
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